The Brexit aftermath thread

[Gorsameth]

It seems the electorate views this type of defection as unprincipled, and it either has no effect or boosts the popularity of the party that lost the MP.

Personally I'm glad to see this guy and Watson go-in Watson's case it was clear he was briefing the press with smear stories.

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Corbyn intervened personally to prevent Watson being removed from the deputy leadership by Labour members at the recent conference. Not much of a purge.

I presume Watson is going primarily because he is going to lose his seat if he fights another election, though there may be an element of sabotage given his history.

Oh look, yet another burner account.

[Mayhem]

Oh look, yet another burner account.

Just report and ignore, their posts will be deleted anyway so no use in quoting or discussing.

[Pann]

Some lighthearted fun to break the GE tedium.

[Jessicka]

United Kingdom might not exist in a decade, half of UK citizens think: poll


This is one troubling statistics for any country.

Troubling, is how many are actually okay with that.

[Monster Hunter]

The problem with a BoJo majority is that even if his withdrawal deal goes through he apparently only wants to negotiate the future relationship with the EU up to the end of 2020 when the transition period ends. And since there isn't really a snowballs chance in a blast furnace that you will be able to get a trade deal done in under a year we'll be left with no deal on December 31.

Aye, though I didn't say that was a good thing. Only pointing out what the most likely outcomes are currently based on the polls.

Paddy Power has the odds at
No majority 10/11
Cons 11/10
Lab 14/1
Lib dem 150/1
Brexit 150/1
UKiP 500/1
Green 500/1

[IlikeDemonHunters]

United Kingdom might not exist in a decade, half of UK citizens think: poll[/URL]


This is one troubling statistics for any country.

Why, if the Scots and Welsh want to go their own way, let them. I think us little Englanders will do just fine without them,

[Monster Hunter]

Troubling, is how many are actually okay with that.

I'm OK with the end of the UK because i support people's right to self determination.

It would be hypocritical for me to on one hand complain about Londons rule and historical abuse and oppression of the north of England whilst at the same time tell the Scots what to do, its entirly up to them where they want to be in the future.

I can say that I don't like the breakdown of unions and I think it's a big step back and towards nationalism, and that nationalism isn't a good thing even if it's being pushed by a left wing party like snp, nationalism wrapped up in socialist policy's is still bad... But Eod its there decision and I can fully understand why they and many others might want to leave the UK, we are all sick and tierd of London and Southern toffs making rules and laws for the rest of a UK they barely even know or consider but I prefer reform first over leaving.

But if that's what happens and the UK ends.... Maybe it might be the wake up call London needs to realise that the lands out side of it arn't happy with rule by London and we might get real political reform and devolution. I'd like to see them revisit the idea of a devolved goverment for the North of England, they did toy with that idea for Yorkshire fore a while.

My ideal future is something like the Swiss system but on a larger scale, smaller devolved local governments inside unions, inside greater unions. But most of the power resting lower with more direct democracy on local areas.

[Temp name]

Why, if the Scots and Welsh want to go their own way, let them. I think us little Englanders will do just fine without them,

Doesn't Scotland hold some of your nukes? Where'd you store them, or are you going to let Scotland keep them?

[Jessicka]

Doesn't Scotland hold some of your nukes? Where'd you store them, or are you going to let Scotland keep them?

I don’t think Scotland would want them. They’d be moved to other naval facilities.

[Temp name]

I don’t think Scotland would want them. They’d be moved to other naval facilities.

"WTS Nukes, don't ask questions, 100mil per bomb"
-Scotland, maybe

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

"WTS Nukes, don't ask questions, 100mil per bomb"
-Scotland, maybe

Nuclear bombs, unused. No returns if faulty. Clearance after messy divorce.

[Kallisto]

I'm OK with the end of the UK because i support people's right to self determination.

It would be hypocritical for me to on one hand complain about Londons rule and historical abuse and oppression of the north of England whilst at the same time tell the Scots what to do, its entirly up to them where they want to be in the future.

I can say that I don't like the breakdown of unions and I think it's a big step back and towards nationalism, and that nationalism isn't a good thing even if it's being pushed by a left wing party like snp, nationalism wrapped up in socialist policy's is still bad... But Eod its there decision and I can fully understand why they and many others might want to leave the UK, we are all sick and tierd of London and Southern toffs making rules and laws for the rest of a UK they barely even know or consider but I prefer reform first over leaving.

But if that's what happens and the UK ends.... Maybe it might be the wake up call London needs to realise that the lands out side of it arn't happy with rule by London and we might get real political reform and devolution. I'd like to see them revisit the idea of a devolved goverment for the North of England, they did toy with that idea for Yorkshire fore a while.

My ideal future is something like the Swiss system but on a larger scale, smaller devolved local governments inside unions, inside greater unions. But most of the power resting lower with more direct democracy on local areas.

Something I've been saying for a while now is that England shouldn't have its own parliament as it would be too large and likely be like when Russia got it's own president within the USSR. Would in the end find any nation wide issue and pull the rug from underneath also would keep the whole london centric view going.

England should have regions of similar populations each with their own parliament, proportionally elected (no more undemocratic FPTP). With same powers as Scottish Parliament, maybe each of them getting more, leaving Westminster for Foreign policy, defense, and other nation wide issues that can't be essentially put down to local level.

Doesn't Scotland hold some of your nukes? Where'd you store them, or are you going to let Scotland keep them?

First thing Scotland would do on independence would tell the subs that hold the nukes to fuck off to London. They really don't want them.

[ranzino]

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First thing Scotland would do on independence would tell the subs that hold the nukes to fuck off to London. They really don't want them.

would scotland even maintain its own navy ?

[Kallisto]

would scotland even maintain its own navy ?

It would have its share, but it certainly would not be holding anything linked to nuclear weapons. Scotland (Well SNP at least) absolutely hate them, think housing the subs makes them a target (it does)

[Demolitia]

If you think Brexit is a mess, wait until Scotland votes for independence and discovers the joy of dealing with both the UK and the EU at the same time. Meet the double backstop shit-sandwich.

[zealo]

would scotland even maintain its own navy ?

If they were to become an independent nation from the rest of Britain, they'd likely set one of those up eventually.

They don't need nukes for it to still be a good idea to have a couple of frigates etc on hand for patrolling their waters.

[JohnBrown1917]

As we wake this morning here's another pearler as lifelong Labour party member and Labour MP for 14 years tells his constituents to vote for Boris Johnson and that Corbyn is a disaster and unfit to be PM.

With his experience who could disagree?

lol at the right-wing part of labour now backing a far right nutjob.


Just goes to show whos side those folk really are on.

[dribbles]

lol at the right-wing part of labour now backing a far right nutjob.


Just goes to show whos side those folk really are on.

The right wing? He was bang middle of centre in the Labour Party up until Comrade Corbyn appeared on the scene.

And we all know that that means Labour are knackered until he resigns, having lost the GE on Dec 12th, a day later. You never know who will replace him but nothing would surprise me with the momentum crazies now in charge. I'm hoping we get Diane Abbott as leader of the opposition for his replacement, that will be hilarious.

[JohnBrown1917]

The right wing? He was bang middle of centre in the Labour Party up until Comrade Corbyn appeared on the scene.

And we all know that that means Labour are knackered until he resigns, having lost the GE on Dec 12th, a day later. You never know who will replace him but nothing would surprise me with the momentum crazies now in charge. I'm hoping we get Diane Abbott as leader of the opposition for his replacement, that will be hilarious.

Oh Dribbles.. Dribbles, I already know you don't know anything about British politics. You don't side with the far right on a whim.

[dribbles]

Don't be ridiculous Dribbles, under Blair were more right-wing than the Tories....indeed many Tories and even those on the far right thought the Iraq war was insane (rightly), that's how "centrist" Blair was-like killing 100,000 innocent people is moderate.

The point of the Labour is...very obviously...to represent the interests of Labour. Very difficult to believe that Ian Austin believes in anything other than his own career.

Surely the point of Labour is to get elected, not sit in opposition unable to do anything. Like Blair or not, he was very electable and the nation must have loved him.

Under Marxist Corbyn and his gang, Labour are being destroyed and will never sit in 10 Downing Street. Labour with a very illustrious history have never been so far left in our lifetime as they are today, they are becoming a fringe party almost overtaken in polls by the Fib Dems.

That will be Corbyns legacy. And after him, as he must surely go in defeat following the GE, who replaces him? John McDonnell? Abbot?

If so Labour are finished for a generation. Only an electable centrist, like Blair, can save them now but the trouble is Corbyns binned them all.