The Brexit aftermath thread

[dribbles]

Dribbles, a question.

How diligent are the checks on thr EU side?

That is a matter for them really.

But one thing we do know about Brexit is at the heart of it is fairness. Whether that's human imports, and treating people the same wherever they come from on merit only, or about imported animal products and plants. As of now an anomaly remains in that EU exporters to the UK face an unfair advantage in their products not being checked by the UK in the same manner as goods from the rest of the world. This is against the fairness Brexit seeks to introduce for all and also against WTO rules.

However at some point, as a Brexit benefit to our UK farmers and hopefully soon, imports from the EU will have to be checked and UK farmers are looking forward to the level playing field once these checks are implemented. They will get an undeniable Brexit boost to their produce sold in the UK at the expense of EU exporters.

Another Brexit win for the UK, one of the many from leaving the EU, if you will.

[Huehuecoyotl]

As of now an anomaly remains in that EU exporters to the UK face an unfair advantage in their products not being checked by the UK in the same manner as goods from the rest of the world. This is against the fairness Brexit seeks to introduce for all and also against WTO rules.

And why are we in this position? You are trying to frame this as the evil EU doing something unfair to us, but the fact is we could have put these controls in the minute we left the EU. It was completely and entirely within our gift to do so. The reason we haven't is that first of all the Brexiteers are so incompetent, so incapable of doing anything practical with their time, that we've failed to put in place something that the EU did literally years ago. Secondly, our industry have been screaming about how much damage this is going to do, so the Tories have been delaying and delaying the implementation. Probably because they don't want something touted as a Brexit benefit to become a VERY apparent downside once it goes live.

My best guess? They are going to put these in place just before the next election. Leave it as another problem for Labour to sort out, since they'll have a choice between reversing it (and being labelled as going against the "will of the people" to Brexit) or letting it happen (which will be framed as being anti business and when inflation rises they'll be blamed for that).

Politically it's a great was to handle it. Leaving a ticking bomb for the next administration. But in terms of trying to fix this country, it's juvenile, pathetic and ridiculous. And just what you'd expect from a party that gave us Brexit as well as Johnson and Truss as leaders.

But sure, you call it a "Brexit win". Because that's the only way you can point to ANY wins, is by pretending that yet another Brexit downside is some kind of great thing.

[unfilteredJW]

Think I've asked this before but was it ever proven that dribbles was even British to be this happy about a country gutting itself?

Expat that takes part in sex tourism is all you need to know about that poster and how to handle them.

[Nederbelg]

That is a matter for them really.

But one thing we do know about Brexit is at the heart of it is fairness. Whether that's human imports, and treating people the same wherever they come from on merit only, or about imported animal products and plants. As of now an anomaly remains in that EU exporters to the UK face an unfair advantage in their products not being checked by the UK in the same manner as goods from the rest of the world. This is against the fairness Brexit seeks to introduce for all and also against WTO rules.

However at some point, as a Brexit benefit to our UK farmers and hopefully soon, imports from the EU will have to be checked and UK farmers are looking forward to the level playing field once these checks are implemented. They will get an undeniable Brexit boost to their produce sold in the UK at the expense of EU exporters.

Another Brexit win for the UK, one of the many from leaving the EU, if you will.

The farmers want a word with you: https://www.voanews.com/a/uk-farmers...t/7542255.html

"Since its exit from the European Union in 2020, the U.K. has signed several trade deals that, according to British farmers, lack import checks and are allowing poorer quality food to come into Britain from countries with less stringent regulations.

British farmers contend that the cheaper agricultural imports undercut Britain’s domestic produce.

They also say they are suffering from rising costs and a shortage of seasonal workers, many of whom are foreign and whose recruitment is more difficult since Brexit because U.K. agriculture is no longer protected by the EU’s free-trade zone and the bloc’s farming rules."

[Odinfrost]

And the Rwanda bill has been passed.
I expect a certain someone to come in here dancing with a silly top hat while ponder how much of a human rights violation it will eventually turn into once it starts getting enforced

[Nederbelg]

And the Rwanda bill has been passed.
I expect a certain someone to come in here dancing with a silly top hat while ponder how much of a human rights violation it will eventually turn into once it starts getting enforced

Ah yes, the benefit of Brexit, commiting human rights violations. So much win!

[dribbles]

And the Rwanda bill has been passed.
I expect a certain someone to come in here dancing with a silly top hat while ponder how much of a human rights violation it will eventually turn into once it starts getting enforced

It's never going to happen, Rwanda Rishi is telling lies. No plane will ever take off to Rwanda before the next General Election. Of course the answer to the immigration problem is more Brexit and we should leave the ECHR and not recognise its rulings anymore. Get rid of the Supreme Court and cull the House of Lords whilst at it. But too many Tories and of course Labour, against the will of the people, don't want to do that.

At least the Tories have a plan even if it is flawed whereas Labour have no plan. What does this mean? Instead of the million or so immigrants the Tories let in each year, Labour seem more pro immigration. Perhaps they will encourage 2 million a year to come, who knows 5 million.

This means even more demand on housing, property prices and rents up and young people will never own their own home. For me I put the rent up I charge my tenants by 10% this year, it will go someway to offsetting the 20% increase in school fees I am expected to pay when Labour get in. Not many years of that to go now though. Also means, unlike most, I can pay to see a private doctor anytime if needed but can you? The state GP's are overwhelmed.

So for those cheering on the next Labour government I feel very sorry for them for the disaster that is coming and they will surely bring. People will be yearning for Liz Truss back before long, while our Nigel and Reform UK waits patiently in the wings for their turn...

[Fuiking]

It's never going to happen, Rwanda Rishi is telling lies. No plane will ever take off to Rwanda before the next General Election. Of course the answer to the immigration problem is more Brexit and we should leave the ECHR and not recognise its rulings anymore. Get rid of the Supreme Court and cull the House of Lords whilst at it. But too many Tories and of course Labour, against the will of the people, don't want to do that.

At least the Tories have a plan even if it is flawed whereas Labour have no plan. What does this mean? Instead of the million or so immigrants the Tories let in each year, Labour seem more pro immigration. Perhaps they will encourage 2 million a year to come, who knows 5 million.

This means even more demand on housing, property prices and rents up and young people will never own their own home. For me I put the rent up I charge my tenants by 10% this year, it will go someway to offsetting the 20% increase in school fees I am expected to pay when Labour get in. Not many years of that to go now though. Also means, unlike most, I can pay to see a private doctor anytime if needed but can you? The state GP's are overwhelmed.

So for those cheering on the next Labour government I feel very sorry for them for the disaster that is coming and they will surely bring. People will be yearning for Liz Truss back before long, while our Nigel and Reform UK waits patiently in the wings for their turn...

So the time tested place for Nigel and Reform UK, on the backpench sleeping?

[Nederbelg]

So the time tested place for Nigel and Reform UK, on the backpench sleeping?

He can't run off to the EU-parlaiment this time. Another Brexit benefit for Europe

[Jessicka]

It's never going to happen, Rwanda Rishi is telling lies. No plane will ever take off to Rwanda before the next General Election. Of course the answer to the immigration problem is more Brexit and we should leave the ECHR and not recognise its rulings anymore. Get rid of the Supreme Court and cull the House of Lords whilst at it. But too many Tories and of course Labour, against the will of the people, don't want to do that.

At least the Tories have a plan even if it is flawed whereas Labour have no plan. What does this mean? Instead of the million or so immigrants the Tories let in each year, Labour seem more pro immigration. Perhaps they will encourage 2 million a year to come, who knows 5 million.

This means even more demand on housing, property prices and rents up and young people will never own their own home. For me I put the rent up I charge my tenants by 10% this year, it will go someway to offsetting the 20% increase in school fees I am expected to pay when Labour get in. Not many years of that to go now though. Also means, unlike most, I can pay to see a private doctor anytime if needed but can you? The state GP's are overwhelmed.

So for those cheering on the next Labour government I feel very sorry for them for the disaster that is coming and they will surely bring. People will be yearning for Liz Truss back before long, while our Nigel and Reform UK waits patiently in the wings for their turn...

The moment Labour announce a plan, the Tories implement it because they got absolutely nothing. That's why they don't announce things, I've not heard anything new from the Tories since they cut HS2 when they announced billions of pounds earmarked for investment in the north will be spent on a decade of overdue maintenance and repairs in the south instead, and expect us to be fucking excited.

I also don't understand this whole "everything has been a fucking catastrophe under the Tories, but it'll be like this under Labour too" argument.

[Odinfrost]

Hey, @dribbles. Something has been urking me a lot lately.

The fuck does

Of course the answer is more Brexit

mean?

You keep saying more Brexit will solve all kinds of issues, but like... Brexit is a really vague term that can mean all kinds of things.
It's like saying that to solve an issue you have to invest in socialist politics. Like... What does that mean? It's too broad and vague to have any meaning. It's an umbrella term which explains nothing.

[dribbles]

Hey, @dribbles. Something has been urking me a lot lately.

The fuck does

mean?

You keep saying more Brexit will solve all kinds of issues, but like... Brexit is a really vague term that can mean all kinds of things.
It's like saying that to solve an issue you have to invest in socialist politics. Like... What does that mean? It's too broad and vague to have any meaning. It's an umbrella term which explains nothing.

You are right it's a catch all umbrella term which means as time goes by allying more with those you have much in common with, the anglosphere, and less with peoples you have nothing in common with, the EU and its member states.

The decades of now historic UK membership in the EU saw so much insidious damage to us from EU rules and closely linked organisations like the ECHR mentioned, that anything we move away from that's Euro related can be claimed as a Brexit benefit and equals more Brexit.

[Nederbelg]

You are right it's a catch all umbrella term which means as time goes by allying more with those you have much in common with, the anglosphere, and less with peoples you have nothing in common with, the EU and its member states.

The decades of now historic UK membership in the EU saw so much insidious damage to us from EU rules and closely linked organisations like the ECHR mentioned, that anything we move away from that's Euro related can be claimed as a Brexit benefit and equals more Brexit.

yeah, do that and see what happens. In order to do business with the EU you will have to comply with a lot of their rules. If you do that tariffs might be imposed and that will work wonders for your economy.
And you won't have a court to go to to challenge them, so double win.

We do not really mind that you are gone from the EU, you were always a pain in the ass demanding excemptions or trying to bend the policies towards what you wanted.
We stopped doing that and you could not deal with that and left.

The fun part is that a lot of things the EU decided is because the UK asked for it and a lot of thing the UK blames the EU for were not mandatory so they could have just kept doing as they did. The passport color is a famous example of that. But what can you expect when you have journalists who wrote articles about the EU without ever visiting any EU meetings or press conferences.

But hey, more Brexit sounds good to me.

*gets the popcorn*

[Iliena]

How can we have more Brexit? When Brexit was done by Dribblers Hero Boris in 2020!

Here is a quote from a speech:

In a major speech in February 2020, Johnson laid out a mixed-metaphor vision for post-Brexit Britain “on the launching pad,” emerging from “its chrysalis … after decades of hibernation.” The country, he said, was “ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion” of free trade.

...4 years later and I'm still not feeling very supercharged tbh

[Gorsameth]

Hey, @dribbles. Something has been urking me a lot lately.

The fuck does

mean?

You keep saying more Brexit will solve all kinds of issues, but like... Brexit is a really vague term that can mean all kinds of things.
It's like saying that to solve an issue you have to invest in socialist politics. Like... What does that mean? It's too broad and vague to have any meaning. It's an umbrella term which explains nothing.

No longer able to lay the burden of all problems at the feet of Brexit Dribbles has now decided the UK must go full North Korea in order to truly be free.

[Zaydin]

Stop feeding Dribbles folks.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Stop feeding Dribbles folks.

It isn't about feeding, it's about shining a light on the endless stream of lies he spouts. We aren't talking to him when we reply, because he has made it more than clear (at the expense of multiple bans) that he isn't listening and he isn't going to change.

But it's a worthwhile exercise to continue to point out the lies, and the impact of the lies. So that when he says things about us needing "more Brexit" everybody in the thread knows that his word isn't worth shit. Because he hasn't made a point that hasn't been instantly refuted in literally years.

There's every chance that his cosplay evil capitalist is a complete lie, and he's living alone in a basement with an empty wallet. But what he's says in his posts, well, we've seen the curtain pulled aside enough times to know that he genuinely believes the stuff he says. And people like that can't be left to spout their bile and hatred unchallenged. If for no other reason, to show our European brethren that the UK can do better than that.

[Kallisto]

It isn't about feeding, it's about shining a light on the endless stream of lies he spouts. We aren't talking to him when we reply, because he has made it more than clear (at the expense of multiple bans) that he isn't listening and he isn't going to change.

But it's a worthwhile exercise to continue to point out the lies, and the impact of the lies. So that when he says things about us needing "more Brexit" everybody in the thread knows that his word isn't worth shit. Because he hasn't made a point that hasn't been instantly refuted in literally years.

There's every chance that his cosplay evil capitalist is a complete lie, and he's living alone in a basement with an empty wallet. But what he's says in his posts, well, we've seen the curtain pulled aside enough times to know that he genuinely believes the stuff he says. And people like that can't be left to spout their bile and hatred unchallenged. If for no other reason, to show our European brethren that the UK can do better than that.

Exactly. Not calling out the lies when they happen is what got us Brexit, Bojo and Trump.

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The moment Labour announce a plan, the Tories implement it because they got absolutely nothing. That's why they don't announce things, I've not heard anything new from the Tories since they cut HS2 when they announced billions of pounds earmarked for investment in the north will be spent on a decade of overdue maintenance and repairs in the south instead, and expect us to be fucking excited.

I also don't understand this whole "everything has been a fucking catastrophe under the Tories, but it'll be like this under Labour too" argument.

A lot of people either misremembering 2008-2010 where before Cameron torpedoed the economy with heavy deadly austerity we were actually under Brown on a proper road to recovery.

Also some people truly don't get that the opposition is never going to give government ideas outside of election season. The goal of the opposition is to get in government. Saying your ideas only for government to take it as their own and essentially stay in power because of it isn't something you do.

[Elder Millennial]

Dear Mods.

A modest proposal.

Could we change the name of this thread into something that is more reflective of the "Year of Our Lord 2024"?

Brexit is done and by any meaningful definition of the word the Brexit negotiations are over. A thread name like "Post Brexit UK" or "Brexit aftermath" would be more reflective to where we are today.

[Calfredd]

A thread name like "Post Brexit UK" or "Brexit aftermath" would be more reflective to where we are today.

On one hand the former would be the more neutral and 'official' sounding option but on the other hand the latter, despite using charged language and given how things are actually going as well as lack of news to the contrary, would be the more accurate sounding of the two.