The Brexit aftermath thread

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Oh boy, seems like you guys in the UK are going to be royally screwed:

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Brexit: EU says no hope of securing UK's withdrawal deal by October

EU negotiators have abandoned all hope that a Brexit deal will be signed with the UK at October’s European Council summit, The Independent has learned.
Brussels officials said a complete standstill in talks with Britain means securing settlements on major outstanding issues in the remaining three-and-a-half months is fanciful.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8423061.html

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[Deleted]

I wouldn't call it a "food shortage", it is a shortage in specific (luxury*) foods, not a general one.
People aren't starving as far as I'm aware, are they?

*This includes imported fresh produce, they aren't luxus because of their price, but because of the delicacy of their supply lines.

A food shortage is a shortage of food.

If you want to say "people won't be starving", say that.

[Deleted]

I do, I never claimed otherwise.

Imported fresh food (like lettuce) is a luxury good, and we did a lot to make it available for the masses, but if what makes it available for the masses is abolished it will go back to being costy.
If all imports from the EU to the UK need to be checked, then fresh produce will need priority treatment--which will cost extra--or it will be inedible once in the stores.

I'm not claiming that this will happen--because I'm not making a definite prediction on the outcome of the Brexit negotiations--, but I'm pointing out that it is a very likely short-term outcome given the competence and planning demonstrated by British politicans.

"Imported fresh food (like lettuce)"

You do know that nearly 70% of the land in the UK is farms right?

The way you guys are talking 100% of the food consumed in the UK is imported, it really isn't.

[Deleted]

"Imported fresh food (like lettuce)"

You do know that nearly 70% of the land in the UK is farms right?

The way you guys are talking 100% of the food consumed in the UK is imported, it really isn't.

Oh dear. Someone can't read their own sources properly.

Those are DEFRA numbers and, were widely ridiculed for being completely inaccurate. For example they estimated the total area of English agricultural land as being larger than that of England.

In any case, as should be perfectly obvious, we are not a naturally self-sufficient nation and depend on foreign trade for our food. Outside of war, no one would seriously suggest that we try and feed ourselves.

[Deleted]

Oh dear. Someone can't read their own sources properly.

I mean I can read the sources perfectly fine.

Those are DEFRA numbers and, were widely ridiculed for being completely inaccurate. For example they estimated the total area of English agricultural land as being larger than that of England.

Didn't know that, interesting if true, provide a source for me though since you seem to be big on that sort of thing.

In any case, as should be perfectly obvious, we are not a naturally self-sufficient nation and depend on foreign trade for our food. Outside of war, no one would seriously suggest that we try and feed ourselves.

I wasn't in anyway implying that we were a self sufficient nation, merely pointing out how retarded the recent talking in this thread about rationing and starvation is.

[Deleted]

But only around 25% of our land is arable. We produce about 50% of our food here in the uk with the rest imported, around 30% is imported from the eu.

Thanks for reinforcing my point?

[Bakis]

Thanks for reinforcing my point?

Yea your point, at least when reading it suggested you meant 70% was arable

[Deleted]

I’m not exactly sure what your point is I was just picking up on your suggestion that 70% of our land is farm land, it just isn’t.

Right, so like the other guy you took issues with the numbers while also reinforcing my point that while we aren't a self sufficient nation, we aren't going to starve even if the scenario that some people in this thread are discussing (suddenly all trade to the UK just flat out stops) comes to pass.

Once again, thanks.

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Yea your point, at least when reading it suggested you meant 70% was arable

See above, once again, the numbers might have been wrong (sorry for not being up to date on sources with regards to UK farming land, even though that source is apparently good enough to be on the governments website), my point still stands.

Ofcourse, picking apart sources is far easier than refuting a point, so have at it I suppose.

[Noradin]

"Imported fresh food (like lettuce)"

You do know that nearly 70% of the land in the UK is farms right?

The way you guys are talking 100% of the food consumed in the UK is imported, it really isn't.

You should read the rest of my posts, I'm the one saying that you won't starve.
Please discuss the definition of "food shortage" with thoplorst directly and leave me out of it, I have explained what I meant extensively.

I pointed out that there will likely be some short term shortage and increased prices for imported fresh food that is off-season in Britain.
I also pointed out that it is very unlikely that anyone will starve in any way. There will be alternatives. You won't have a shortage of calorines and essential nourishments(~ general food shortage).

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Right, so like the other guy you took issues with the numbers while also reinforcing my point that while we aren't a self sufficient nation, we aren't going to starve even if the scenario that some people in this thread are discussing (suddenly all trade to the UK just flat out stops) comes to pass.

Then why are you addressing that "point" to me, who stated the exact same thing, instead of at Slant or thoplorst?
It is like you only read keywords and then guess at the content of the posts you quote.

[Nigel Tufnel]

On topic...



Michael Gove exploded with anger and physically ripped up a report on Theresa May's preferred option for a new customs partnership with the EU.

May's leadership is in tatters and the Tories are in complete disarray. The EU is looking on in amused bafflement. I'm not sure who I hate the most.

May must go. Gove is the bookies' favourite to succeed her, followed (in their opinion) by Javid, Rees-Mogg, Johnson, and lastly Jeremy Cunt *cough*, sorry, Hunt.

Just... words fail me.

Any Tory-sympathiser here care to explain why you think either of the above five is fit for leadership?

Rees-Mogg?



Foodbanks are fantastic?

If the opportunity presented itself, I'd assassinate him.

The UK is approaching, rapidly, a point of fracture.

[dribbles]

On topic...

Michael Gove exploded with anger and physically ripped up a report on Theresa May's preferred option for a new customs partnership with the EU.

May's leadership is in tatters and the Tories are in complete disarray. The EU is looking on in amused bafflement. I'm not sure who I hate the most.

May must go. Gove is the bookies' favourite to succeed her, followed (in their opinion) by Javid, Rees-Mogg, Johnson, and lastly Jeremy Cunt *cough*, sorry, Hunt.

Just... words fail me.

Any Tory-sympathiser here care to explain why you think either of the above five is fit for leadership?

Rees-Mogg?

What's the alternative? Arch brexiteer Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott? The Conservatives have lacked fit and proper leadership, living in the shadow of Thatcher for decades. Labour are suffering the same since Blair.

Politicians haven't had to think on their feet or lead properly for a long time with all accountability for mistakes passed up the line, not unreasonably in many cases, to Brussels. Local councils often do the same with their mistakes blamed on Westminster policy or lack of funding.

Once that top tier of EU government is out of the way with regards to relevance within the UK, more competent leaders will emerge on both sides from the shadows.

Less government, within reason, is always better governance and with Brexit we are getting there and removing a whole tier of the crapfest.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Mr D... I'm glad you've replied.

The alternative is the *centre*, which has been so much maligned.

Where the fuck is the centre?

The centre has been clubbed to death like a defenceless baby seal.

I hold the hard left in as much contempt as I do the hard right.

Ofc I don't want Corbyn / Abbott. But neither do I want Gove and co.

All you twats on the left: do you see what you've done here? Oh no... Blair got it wrong on Iraq. Oh no... Clegg had to accept a coalition with the Tories. Oh no... multinationals have gained the upper hand.

Well, I can assure you, Corbyn / McDonnell / Abbott is not the answer.

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Saved too early... hadn't finished ranting.

Anyway, it's clearly far too late.

UK is in serious trouble here.

I'll be on the streets campaigning for Ruth Davidson

[Kronik85]

Mr D... I'm glad you've replied.

The alternative is the *centre*, which has been so much maligned.

Where the fuck is the centre?

The centre has been clubbed to death like a defenceless baby seal.

I hold the hard left in as much contempt as I do the hard right.

Ofc I don't want Corbyn / Abbott. But neither do I want Gove and co.

All you twats on the left: do you see what you've done here? Oh no... Blair got it wrong on Iraq. Oh no... Clegg had to accept a coalition with the Tories. Oh no... multinationals have gained the upper hand.

Well, I can assure you, Corbyn / McDonnell / Abbott is not the answer.

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Saved too early... hadn't finished ranting.

Anyway, it's clearly far too late.

UK is in serious trouble here.

I'll be on the streets campaigning for Ruth Davidson

Aye it's the lefts fault for voting Remain and putting Brexiteers in the Cabinet to keep the party together........Oh wait.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Aye it's the lefts fault for voting Remain and putting Brexiteers in the Cabinet to keep the party together........Oh wait.

Don't be ridiculous... can't take you seriously.

The left voted Remain? No it fucking didn't. That was the problem.

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And that remains the problem until Unite force Corbyn off the fence

[Shadowmelded]

I'll be on the streets campaigning for Ruth Davidson

Rape-clause Ruth? Lol christ sake.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Rape-clause Ruth? Lol christ sake.

Jesus fucking christ... give me an alternative?

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Fuckwits on the left.

You are as much at fault as the fuckwits on the right.

[Kronik85]

Don't be ridiculous... can't take you seriously.

The left voted Remain? No it fucking didn't. That was the problem.

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And that remains the problem until Unite force Corbyn off the fence

So it was the Right that voted Remain then? The party with the Brexiteers? Here's an idea, maybe the issue is a little more nuanced than Left Vs Right when it comes to Brexit.

Corbyn isn't even on the fence, he's a silent Brexiteer. I like you Nigel, but your rant is off by a country mile. Being mad at the "Left" is misplaced.

[Shadowmelded]

Jesus fucking christ... give me an alternative?

Sorry, wasn't a dig at you, I was just amused that the media's light-glove approach to Ruth has her looking positive in the rest of the UK. It's a failing of both the British and Scottish media and not really your fault for not knowing. As for an alternative, I dunno man, not really my place to tell you who to vote for but the UK is bursting at the seams with 'centrists' from Blairites to the Lib-dems to some Tories along the lines of Soubry.

[Nigel Tufnel]

So it was the Right that voted Remain then? The party with the Brexiteers? Here's an idea, maybe the issue is a little more nuanced than Left Vs Right when it comes to Brexit.

Corbyn isn't even on the fence, he's a silent Brexiteer. I like you Nigel, but your rant is off by a country mile. Being mad at the "Left" is misplaced.

Dude... I'm sorry to rant... but this is why I'm mad:

I'm 44, self-employed VAT-registered sole trader for 20 years. Two kids under the age of 10. Other half made redundant last year by her (small business) employer as a result of economic uncertainty. Mortgaged to the hilt. Yadda yadda yadda.

In all honesty, I don't give a fuck about the left or the right. I give a fuck about the economic consequences of this shit.

My generation (X) has been fucked by the Great Recession, successive governments protecting the grey vote / Baby Boomers, unaffordable housing, etc. And now we're going to be doubly fucked by the economic fall-out of crashing out of the EU.

I absolutely, categorically draw a line at an ideological (left or right-inspired) Brexit because self-serving politicians on both the sides think that they can either achieve some of sort of a) Rees-Mogg, 19th century, colonial, nightmare or b) some sort of socialist utopia where the realities of global trade don't exist.

E.g., [sorry] Shadowmelded - I don't give a fuck about Davidson. That should be obvious. I just want a figure in the centre that I can rally behind who actually isn't as clinically insane as these figures on the fringes.

[Deleted]

Dude... I'm sorry to rant... but this is why I'm mad:

I'm 44, self-employed VAT-registered sole trader for 20 years. Two kids under the age of 10. Other half made redundant last year by her (small business) employer as a result of economic uncertainty. Mortgaged to the hilt. Yadda yadda yadda.

In all honesty, I don't give a fuck about the left or the right. I give a fuck about the economic consequences of this shit.

My generation (X) has been fucked by the Great Recession, successive governments protecting the grey vote / Baby Boomers, unaffordable housing, etc. And now we're going to be doubly fucked by the economic fall-out of crashing out of the EU.

I absolutely, categorically draw a line at an ideological (left or right-inspired) Brexit because self-serving politicians on both the sides think that they can either achieve some of sort of a) Rees-Mogg, 19th century, colonial, nightmare or b) some sort of socialist utopia where the realities of global trade don't exist.

E.g., [sorry] Shadowmelded - I don't give a fuck about Davidson. That should be obvious. I just want a figure in the centre that I can rally behind who actually isn't as clinically insane as these figures on the fringes.

how do you think my generation feels? I'm in my 20's.

Basically all you old people got nostaglic 'oh it was better in my day'. And now you have people who pine for Empire vs people who are nostalgic for the great renationalisations. Both leaders look backwards not forwards.

The problem isn't left or right, its old nostalgic fucks. I get it, you didn't look like a dried up ballbag 30 years ago, your body didn't randomly hurt in places, people still wanted to fuck you. But it wasn't because it was a better time. Its because you were young.

Your generation fucking sucks, and were complicit with the boomers in brexit.