The Brexit aftermath thread

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The signatories of that letter are 40 ish of Conservative MP's in the current serving government. You may call them loonies, they have the power and now the intent should they choose to finish the UK government if their red lines are crossed. Of course it is meant to fail, no deal is better than any deal. They and I want a no deal. Looks, like it always did, like I win.

may has already ignored them. She is looking seriously at the Norway Model, because thats the only thing palatable unless the Tories want to become an anti buisness party.

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Imagine calling yourself a politician and then writing a letter that basically says "i'm not talking to you unless you do this:"

Literal children.

[Noradin]

The signatories of that letter are 40 ish of Conservative MP's in the current serving government. You may call them loonies, they have the power and now the intent should they choose to finish the UK government if their red lines are crossed. Of course it is meant to fail, no deal is better than any deal. They and I want a no deal. Looks, like it always did, like I win.

Just to be clear: No deal means the UK still has to pay the settlement, because that is money they own.

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Just to be clear: No deal means the UK still has to pay the settlement, because that is money they own.

We don't have to pay if Rees Mogg hit's the EU with a "no u" though.

Thems the rules.

[Noradin]

We don't have to pay if Rees Mogg hit's the EU with a "no u" though.

Thems the rules.

Sure sure, and he will restore the Empire with all its colonies, too!

[dribbles]

Just to be clear: No deal means the UK still has to pay the settlement, because that is money they own.

Only if we sign the withdrawal agreement. So far there is no agreement and there will be no signature = no payment.

Nothing is a greed until everything is agreed.

[Bakis]

The childish reasoning in here is amazing.

[Pann]

The signatories of that letter are 40 ish of Conservative MP's in the current serving government. You may call them loonies, they have the power and now the intent should they choose to finish the UK government if their red lines are crossed. Of course it is meant to fail, no deal is better than any deal. They and I want a no deal. Looks, like it always did, like I win.

A no deal Brexit will not pass through parliament so what they and you want is irrelevant.

[Kronik85]

None of those are extremist policies though?

That's my point, yet you label me an extremist for voting for a party that promised most of this.

And with the exception of the tax loop holes (that no government has managed to successfully close) and the Zero Hour contracts (to which i'm firmly on your side), I can't see any centrist government not adopting those policies.

Yet our current "Centrist" government is pushing for any of it? The tax problems come from living in a globalised world with a country by country based tax system. It will remain broken until we have international consensus.

Hell the health tax will probably go through under the right wing Tories that we've got, and i'm honestly not sure what to do about the housing crisis, considering that every newbuild estate that goes up, 10% are already given over to social housing, so it's not like council housing isn't being built, unless you want entire estates of council housing again, which brings a million more problems than it solves imo.

We just aren't spending enough for either. It's been a long time since I read that token housing policy that we got but the bottom line was something like 2 or 3 houses per town a year. It's not enough. The private market wants to build luxury apartments in cities rather than founding new communities in towns. So either more incentives or more spending. The next government needs to recognise that the market isn't self correcting.

As for healthcare, it would of been nice if the latest announcement wasn't covered in Brexit propaganda. We all know we are getting a health tax, it's not being funded by an imaginary Brexit Dividend.

[Noradin]

Only if we sign the withdrawal agreement. So far there is no agreement and there will be no signature = no payment.

Nothing is a greed until everything is agreed.

The UK did already agree to those payments, just over another timeframe, but if you prefer to pay those sums as they arise? Fine by me.
The settlement was just a proposition to cut ties sooner. It was a something the UK wanted, not something the EU needs.

[Kronik85]

A no deal Brexit will not pass through parliament so what they and you want is irrelevant.

Pretty confident that the current Brexit Bill basically means that if Parliament won't pass the deal then we default to a no deal Brexit.

[yetgdhfgh]

Ironically its prolly gonna be the Tories who will prolly stop Brexit than Labour.

I voted for Brexit but the establishment was never gonna let it go forward so they just cocked it up just so at the end of the bargaining they can say this is the deal we can now vote on it.

I will bet that there will be a vote on the final deal knowing it might be rejected thus taking the Tories neck out of the noose but they cant announce it yet cause that would be like a poker player showing his hand.

Why do i think this well May said she wouldnt call a general election and she did so her saying there wont be another vote seems unlikely IMO.

Corbyn simply wants Brexit to happen cause he hates the EU and wants to implement his socialist policies even though the EU says he can do that without leaving but he doesnt believe them and neither do i.

If there is another vote i would still vote for Brexit cause the EU is finished and it needs to be torn down so it can go back to being a trading union and not a United States of Europe.

Sometimes to build something better you need to tear the old one down.

[Pann]

We just aren't spending enough for either. It's been a long time since I read that token housing policy that we got but the bottom line was something like 2 or 3 houses per town a year. It's not enough. The private market wants to build luxury apartments in cities rather than founding new communities in towns. So either more incentives or more spending. The next government needs to recognise that the market isn't self correcting.

It's all well and good saying we aren't spending enough this, that or the other but where does the money come from? Our current debt stands at 88% of GDP and still growing, the cost of servicing this debt is £48billion per annum - four times the EU membership fee.

Developers already have to build a certain percentage of affordable housing when building new housing, although there are loop holes that can be exploited to reduce the number being built.

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Pretty confident that the current Brexit Bill basically means that if Parliament won't pass the deal then we default to a no deal Brexit.

Possibly, but we'll probably default to the agreed backstop until parliament reaches agreement.

[Deleted]

That's my point, yet you label me an extremist for voting for a party that promised most of this.

I didn't label you an extremist, I made two separate posts that merged together.

Yet our current "Centrist" government is pushing for any of it? The tax problems come from living in a globalised world with a country by country based tax system. It will remain broken until we have international consensus.

Because they're a right leaning centrist party? That's trying to move further right wing to attract all the people they lost to the likes of UKIP? As for the tax problems, name one country that doesn't have problems with tax dodgers? I'll agree that it's a global problem, but i'm not entirely sure what one nation can do about it.

We just aren't spending enough for either. It's been a long time since I read that token housing policy that we got but the bottom line was something like 2 or 3 houses per town a year. It's not enough. The private market wants to build luxury apartments in cities rather than founding new communities in towns. So either more incentives or more spending. The next government needs to recognise that the market isn't self correcting.

As for healthcare, it would of been nice if the latest announcement wasn't covered in Brexit propaganda. We all know we are getting a health tax, it's not being funded by an imaginary Brexit Dividend.

I can't speak for the "two or three houses per town" figure, because i've never seen it before, what I do know is my brother recently bought on a new build estate and they've got nearly a full row of 10+ social houses on there, and the estate I live on has atleast 4 social houses on it (not a terribly big estate though, and a lot of flats). I'll agree that we aren't spending enough on housing, but you can't blame it on the building companies, they build luxury apartments in cities because they sell, why spend money building out in towns when some 60yr old NIMBY will come protest you trying to build a new estate?

[Kronik85]

It's all well and good saying we aren't spending enough this, that or the other but where does the money come from? Our current debt stands at 88% of GDP and still growing, the cost of servicing this debt is £48billion per annum - four times the EU membership fee.

Developers already have to build a certain percentage of affordable housing when building new housing, although there are loop holes that can be exploited to reduce the number being built.

So I guess we just do nothing then? We have a problem and it needs fixing for our children, hand waving isn't putting us in a better position. If it's tax it's tax, or it could be housing built by the government and sold for a price that covers cost or maybe a much smaller profit margin.

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heres one easy solution for tax dodgers, put a massive tax on using shell companies to buy property. The only people buying property via shell companies are tax cheats.

The brexiteers are suffering a slow death but are too stupid too see it. They keep giving may concessions in just about everything but reality was never thier strong point.

I would have asked dribbles for his irish border position after that letter post, but we have been in enough cricles already

[Kronik85]

I didn't label you an extremist, I made two separate posts that merged together.

Fair enough.

Because they're a right leaning centrist party? That's trying to move further right wing to attract all the people they lost to the likes of UKIP? As for the tax problems, name one country that doesn't have problems with tax dodgers? I'll agree that it's a global problem, but i'm not entirely sure what one nation can do about it.

You make comments branding Corbyn's Labour as extreme left but when I come out with most of his manifesto it's suddenly Centrist. Make up your mind. Maybe the Tories should stop trying to woo racist Grandma from Sunderland, UKIP is dead anyway.

I can't speak for the "two or three houses per town" figure, because i've never seen it before, what I do know is my brother recently bought on a new build estate and they've got nearly a full row of 10+ social houses on there, and the estate I live on has atleast 4 social houses on it (not a terribly big estate though, and a lot of flats). I'll agree that we aren't spending enough on housing, but you can't blame it on the building companies, they build luxury apartments in cities because they sell, why spend money building out in towns when some 60yr old NIMBY will come protest you trying to build a new estate?

Like I said, lets be honest and recognise that the housing market isn't self correcting. See my other post as to ideas on what to do, I've mused on it for all of 5 minutes, I'm sure a government department can do better.

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You make comments branding Corbyn's Labour as extreme left but when I come out with most of his manifesto it's suddenly Centrist. Make up your mind. Maybe the Tories should stop trying to woo racist Grandma from Sunderland, UKIP is dead anyway.

The only time I mentioned Corbyn was saying that i've seen nothing from his manifesto that would lead us anywhere close to a socialist utopia. I personally dislike Corbyn for his foreign policy, and for the fact that he appeals to the far left, but his actual manifesto is fairly centre left, you put it in someone elses hands, and i'll vote for it.

[Kronik85]

The only time I mentioned Corbyn was saying that i've seen nothing from his manifesto that would lead us anywhere close to a socialist utopia. I personally dislike Corbyn for his foreign policy, and for the fact that he appeals to the far left, but his actual manifesto is fairly centre left, you put it in someone elses hands, and i'll vote for it.

That's fair. I also agree with you on your dislike for Corbyn on foreign policy. I still wouldn't be voting for the other guy though, so that's where we disagree.

[Pann]

So I guess we just do nothing then? We have a problem and it needs fixing for our children, hand waving isn't putting us in a better position. If it's tax it's tax, or it could be housing built by the government and sold for a price that covers cost or maybe a much smaller profit margin.

What? You think saddling our children (I mean won't somebody think of them!) with increasing interest repayments is the answer to anything? So your answer to the housing crisis is taxing people more in order to devalue their homes? That'll work and be really popular! Brilliant!