The Brexit aftermath thread

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

So Theresa May and Kate Hoey are directly accountable to UK voters and can be removed by UK voters. Democratic yes? How can UK voters remove Guy Verhofwotnot? They can't, that is not democratic.

The UK has directly elected members of the European Parliament too. They have the same voting power as Guy Verhofstadt in the European Parliament If they can be bothered turning up, that is (the British MEPs tend to skive off whenever they can).

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UK parliamentarians do not speak for the EU or Belgian people though. Why should someone from Belgium issue diktats to the people of the UK without being accountable in a democratic process to those same people?

If one of the great leaders of the EU, therefore at the minute also the UK, wants to order UK people about, he should be accountable to those very same people.

MEPs don't speak for the UK, either. They speak for the EP. And they make decisions in the MEP for EU regulations. Some of which are implemented directly, because the countries have tasked the EU to do so (yes, even the UK at this point still). And the vast majority of guidelines are not implemented by the EU itself, they are ratified by the national parliaments.

So, when you say an MEP shouldn't make rules for the British... well, no. Unless the fucking British Government tells them to. As for anything else, it's your own MPs doing the legislation. So what the fuck are you on about?

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The UK has directly elected members of the European Parliament too. They have the same voting power as Guy Verhofstadt in the European Parliament If they can be bothered turning up, that is (the British MEPs tend to skive off whenever they can).

Oh we have a EU president that represents us? Who is he/she then? I don't recall ever being allowed to vote for him/her... and I certainly can't vote to remove him/her. If he/she even exists.

[Acidbaron]

I voted for my EU representatives if the english didn't that's on the english system and nobody elses *shrugs*

[Dezerte]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_E...United_Kingdom

[Northern Goblin]

Funny how we never heard complaints on the continent when Roy Jenkins was President.

We elect our fair share of representatives who vote on a President.

If you don't like who it is, maybe consider changing your representatives instead of sending the lazy ineffective pillocks with a purple rosette.

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Oh we have a EU president that represents us? Who is he/she then? I don't recall ever being allowed to vote for him/her... and I certainly can't vote to remove him/her. If he/she even exists.

Antonio Tajani is president of the EP. He is elected by the EP, which you elect directly. (Lower House of Parliament, if you like)
Donald Tusk is president of the EU Council. He is elected among the Council by the heads of states that make up the Council. Your PM voted him into office for you. (Upper House of the Parliament)
Jean Claude Juncker is president of the EU Commission. He is suggested by the EU Council and then elected by the EP. (Governmental Executive)

It really isn't difficult and quite democratic. But, WHO CARES ABOUT FACTS!

[Gibblewink]

If you want to complain about unelected individuals with power over the UK and no democratic accountability, you don't need to look as far away as Brussels, I give you

the Right Honourable the Lords Spiritual and Temporal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in Parliament assembled

more commonly known as the House of Lords.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Oh we have a EU president that represents us? Who is he/she then? I don't recall ever being allowed to vote for him/her... and I certainly can't vote to remove him/her. If he/she even exists.

You voted for the people who voted for him when you voted in the European Elections a couple of years ago. Unless you didn't bother voting, in which case you don't have a reason to complain.

If you want to complain about unelected individuals with power over the UK and no democratic accountability, you don't need to look as far away as Brussels, I give you

the Right Honourable the Lords Spiritual and Temporal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in Parliament assembled

more commonly known as the House of Lords.

Or walk across the road from the Palace of Westminster to Whitehall

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Funny how we never heard complaints on the continent when Roy Jenkins was President.

We elect our fair share of representatives who vote on a President.

If you don't like who it is, maybe consider changing your representatives instead of sending the lazy ineffective pillocks with a purple rosette.

Roy Jenkins? That was the guy from 40 years ago? 40 years ago we had an EU president? lols Oh and it won't be a purple rosette, I understand the Brexit party are going to use the colour orange, should the EU stifle democracy again and we don't get to leave...

Antonio Tajani is president of the EP. He is elected by the EP, which you elect directly. (Lower House of Parliament, if you like)
Donald Tusk is president of the EU Council. He is elected among the Council by the heads of states that make up the Council. Your PM voted him into office for you. (Upper House of the Parliament)
Jean Claude Juncker is president of the EU Commission. He is suggested by the EU Council and then elected by the EP. (Governmental Executive)

It really isn't difficult and quite democratic. But, WHO CARES ABOUT FACTS!

And you or I get to vote them out how exactly? Explain the democratic process behind that then... How do I instigate the process to remover them?

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And you or I get to vote them out how exactly? Explain the democratic process being that then... How do I instigate the process to remover them?

Usually, you go to your local voting booth, get handed a sheet of paper with your candidates and then you make a cross wherever you fancy and put it into the ballot box. Why, how do you think elections work?

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Usually, you go to your local voting booth, get handed a sheet of paper with your candidates and then you make a cross wherever you fancy and put it into the ballot box. Why, how do you think elections work?

But I can't do that tomorrow can I? Unlike in a proper democracy, like the UK's, I could begin the process of MP deselection tomorrow with enough support. Including Theresa May. Where do I start that with Juncker? I can't, the same as I cant with kim Jong Un.

[ati87]

UK parliamentarians do not speak for the EU or Belgian people though. Why should someone from Belgium issue diktats to the people of the UK without being accountable in a democratic process to those same people?

If one of the great leaders of the EU, therefore at the minute also the UK, wants to order UK people about, he should be accountable to those very same people.

So somebody living in California should be voting out Ted Cruz from Texas?

And if you live in the UK don't you vote directly for your MP? But not for the 649 who aren't in your area?

In other words.....your bitching accountability when the EU in a way has more accountability then the Brexit folks who are driving off a cliff based on as slim victory.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

But I can't do that tomorrow can I? Unlike in a proper democracy, like the UK's, I could begin the process of MP deselection tomorrow with enough support. Including Theresa May. Where do I start that with Juncker? I can't, the same as I cant with kim Jong Un.

The process to de-select Junker would be rather similar to the impeachment and removal process in the USA for Donald Trump. As for individual MEPs, just like in the UK they would need to be de-selected by their parliamentary party. Their seat would then be filled at the next election.

[Acidbaron]

He is just hung up on Juncker cause he called them out. That's all the snowflakes in the house who are used to dealing out for years get a single comment back and they are now crying like the kids they are.

Well they better prepare their anus, since once they are out of the EU, they even have less power globally and will face this kind of criticism and actions even more.

But hey look at the Brightside you can start dismantling the NHS further and all other government agencies to replace them with private companies. But luckily eventually it will only be the english screwing over the english, how to end an era from a pile of gold to a pile of shit.

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But I can't do that tomorrow can I? Unlike in a proper democracy, like the UK's, I could begin the process of MP deselection tomorrow with enough support. Including Theresa May. Where do I start that with Juncker? I can't, the same as I cant with kim Jong Un.

That's really you just whinging that the world doesn't work like the UK. But you are absolutely able to gain support and run for MEP in the next elections with the goal to ultimately replace whoever displeases you.

Given enough support.

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He is just hung up on Juncker cause he called them out. That's all the snowflakes in the house who are used to dealing out for years get a single comment back and they are now crying like the kids they are.

Well they better prepare their anus, since once they are out of the EU, they even have less power globally and will face this kind of criticism and actions even more.

But hey look at the Brightside you can start dismantling the NHS further and all other government agencies to replace them with private companies. But luckily eventually it will only be the english screwing over the english, how to end an era from a pile of gold to a pile of shit.

It's already happening. Japan's trade negotiations with the UK aren't going well. Japan is giving the UK way worse conditions than the EU has, and they're still asking for more. The headline could be "Japan thinks it can get more concessions." And Japan usually plays nice, if they think they can butcher the UK for trade agreement, I'll definitely save some of the popcorn for the US-UK negotiations. Someone will have to buy Pornhub new servers for all the material they're going to get from that alone.

But, we have to be fair... thanks to Trump's antics in the Pacific and the UK's madness, the EU-Japan negotiations finished at lightning speed, giving us this wonderful headline:

EU-Japan trade deal comes into force to create world’s biggest trade zone

Two new landmark agreements between the EU and Japan come into effect on February 1, 2019: the Economic Partnership Agreement and the Strategic Partnership Agreement. The economic agreement is the largest bilateral trade deal ever made by the EU in terms of market size and will be the largest zone of free trade created in history.

http://theconversation.com/eu-japan-...de-zone-110729

Dribs?

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That's really you just whinging that the world doesn't work like the UK. But you are absolutely able to gain support and run for MEP in the next elections with the goal to ultimately replace whoever displeases you.

Given enough support.

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It's already happening. Japan's trade negotiations with the UK aren't going well. Japan is giving the UK way worse conditions than the EU has, and they're still asking for more. The headline could be "Japan thinks it can get more concessions." And Japan usually plays nice, if they think they can butcher the UK for trade agreement, I'll definitely save some of the popcorn for the US-UK negotiations. Someone will have to buy Pornhub new servers for all the material they're going to get from that alone.

But, we have to be fair... thanks to Trump's antics in the Pacific and the UK's madness, the EU-Japan negotiations finished at lightning speed, giving us this wonderful headline:


http://theconversation.com/eu-japan-...de-zone-110729

Dribs?

Hahahahaha.... /Slow clap.

Well done, I am sure German car manufacturers are celebrating as we speak. Not only will access to the UK markets be more difficult for them after March, but your glorious EU leaders have invited a trojan horse competitor into the EU nest. And you are celebrating?

Small & midsize Japanese car makers to benefit the most from EU-Japan FTA

https://www.jato.com/small-midsize-j...-eu-japan-fta/

Bwahahahahaaaaa

[Ravenblade]

Hahahahaha.... /Slow clap.

Well done, I am sure German car manufacturers are celebrating as we speak. Not only will access to the UK markets be more difficult for them after March, but your glorious EU leaders have invited a trojan horse competitor into the EU nest. And you are celebrating?

Small & midsize Japanese car makers to benefit the most from EU-Japan FTA

https://www.jato.com/small-midsize-j...-eu-japan-fta/

Bwahahahahaaaaa

From this article:

The FTA is likely to be positive for the European players because even if the midsize makers mentioned are able to start importing their cars easily, they do not represent a big threat to the dominant position of brands like Volkswagen, Renault or Peugeot. Toyota, Honda and Nissan would be more exposed as they are direct competitors, especially now that a lot of Japanese makers are launching hybrid versions of their cars.

I can't see the same overtly negative tone of yours reflected in the article. Any deal which the EU makes with a foreign economic interest group or union has most likely have its drafts been passed through the hands of European business associates having their representatives at the EU before as well.

In fact here's a rather flowering statement from the ACEA:

Hence, ACEA supports trade agreements that are free and fair, providing mutual benefits. The fact that the EU and Japan signed a free trade agreement (FTA) yesterday is a positive signal for international trade.

Note there is also a 7-year period until the 10% tariffs on Japanese cars are eliminated. In fact the only time when they were worried about the deal was five years ago when several key issues such as safety standards and other regulations were not headed for harmonization yet, or were missing in the drafts at all. That is past now.

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From this article:



I can't see the same overtly negative tone of yours reflected in the article. Any deal which the EU makes with a foreign economic interest group or union has most likely have its drafts been passed through the hands of European business associates having their representatives at the EU before as well.

In fact here's a rather flowering statement from the ACEA:



Note there is also a 7-year period until the 10% tariffs on Japanese cars are eliminated. In fact the only time when they were worried about the deal was five years ago when several key issues such as safety standards and other regulations were not headed for harmonization yet, or were missing in the drafts at all. That is past now.

But the future of car manufacturing is not the status quo.

The EU is a decade behind the market leaders in electric vehicle battery technology, fixated still on old diesel engines going the way of the dinosaur.

What will matter in the near future is who geographically has the easiest access to China and its batteries and out of the EU and Japan that's not the EU.

China is crushing Europe's electric car dreams

China is the driving force in the business of electric vehicle batteries, which European leaders see as vital to the future of the auto industry that employs millions of people across the continent. It may be too late to catch up.
"Europe might well see its carmakers massively moving production to China in the future," said Simone Tagliapietra, an energy analyst at Fondazione Eni Enrico Mattei, a Milan-based think tank. "This is a huge risk" for the region that's home to companies like Volkswagen (VLKAF), BMW (BMWYY), Mercedes-Benz and Renault (RNSDF), he added.Building electric cars in China makes sense for companies because that's where most customers are, and it enables them to avoid heavy tariffs on imported vehicles. It also puts their manufacturing plants closer to the supply chain for batteries, which account for about 40% of the value of electric cars."It just makes sense to produce electric vehicles where batteries are also produced," Tagliapietra said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/30/b...ies/index.html

Just in time for in 7 years when the 10% tariffs on Japanese cars to the EU are eliminated...

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Hahahahaha.... /Slow clap.

Well done, I am sure German car manufacturers are celebrating as we speak. Not only will access to the UK markets be more difficult for them after March, but your glorious EU leaders have invited a trojan horse competitor into the EU nest. And you are celebrating?

Small & midsize Japanese car makers to benefit the most from EU-Japan FTA

https://www.jato.com/small-midsize-j...-eu-japan-fta/

Bwahahahahaaaaa

We'll see who has the last laugh. So far, you're occupying yourself exclusively with shitting on everything without having anything to show for yourself. You have nothing but fantasies. And that's your sole basis for the contempt you show.

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But the future of car manufacturing is not the status quo.

The EU is a decade behind the market leaders in electric vehicle battery technology, fixated still on old diesel engines going the way of the dinosaur.

What will matter in the near future is who geographically has the easiest access to China and its batteries and out of the EU and Japan that's not the EU.



https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/30/b...ies/index.html

Just in time for in 7 years when the 10% tariffs on Japanese cars to the EU are eliminated...

Europe isn't fixated on Diesel engines. You're once more showcasing your one-dimensional, narrow minded view of the world through headlines of the Sun. Dieselgate has you confused. Volkswagen is repurposing an entire site to fuel cell and battery production. Not in 7 years, they're doing it as we speak.