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Hang on a sec... according to posters in this thread the US is going to insist on a trade deal that includes copious amounts of chlorine washed chickens and hormone riddled beef that will require the UK's food standards to diverge from the EU's thus necessitating border checks whilst at the same time the US will refuse to sign the trade deal that they've insisted upon because the resultant border checks might endanger the Good Friday Agreement?! Seems like the kind of trade deal Schrödinger would come up with.
And it seems Richard Neal has previously issued the same kind of warning regarding a US/EU trade agreement and the Good Friday Agreement to the EU.
'“If America wants a trade agreement with the European Union, which I think is very desirable – I want it – at the same time you are back to the same issue on the border if you do anything that dampens or softens the Good Friday Agreement,” Democratic Congressman Richard Neal was quoted as saying.'
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKCN1RV0JK
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
With the difference being that the EU is okay with it failing, while for the UK it seems to be a big glimmer of hope.
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Now i don't have a very deep knowledge about China, and the opium wars have been over for over 200 years, but the uneven treaties are sill evoked often if they think someone wants to cheat them.
Who were the first to impose these treaties and opened the way for the rest of the world? Oh...
If there's a trade deal it will have to include the former, but unless the border issue is solved there won't be a trade deal. Not too hard to understand.
So? It's not like the EU isn't offering something that would preserve the GFA.
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It's like you deliberately don't want to understand that there will be no FTA with anyone as long as you have an open border.
The fact that they didn't take it into account when the whole kerfuffle started?
The fact that they wanted to close borders with the EU? (Which includes Ireland no matter what some whig historians want to think)
That they suggested the backstop as an alternative when the GFA was brought up that they then subsequently killed?
That they haven't offered any solution to it aside from said backstop?
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The agricultural and insurance lobbies in America are the ones with major influence in deciding the US negotiating position, and lots of their initial submissions around increased market access and removal of geographical indicators as a bare minimum starting point have already been published.
The US Congress does not negotiate the deal, they just need to give it final approval before it comes into effect - which they will not do if the UK has ripped up the GFA while leaving.
https://threader.app/thread/1156469384652701697 is excellent if you want to learn more about the Irish issue
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Did they not? Even if you are correct this is not a breach of the GFA.
This is not true and the UK has said the exact opposite with regard the UK border on the island of Ireland.
The backstop was suggested by the EU however it only applied to NI, which is a breach of the GFA, it was suggested by the UK that this applied to whole of the UK in order to avoid issues in NI which was rejected by parliament. Again this is not a breach of the GFA.
We have offered solutions which are not acceptable to the EU. However failing to offer an alternative to the backstop is not a breach of the GFA.
Out of your four points; three are not breaches of the GFA and one is completely untrue.
wait wait wait ... do i get this correctly?
the uk doesnt want the backstop, but also doesnt want a border at NI? so they just want to have free movement of people from and to the UK? wasnt that one of the main talking points of the brexit campaign?
It's mk not the EU's job to keep international treaties of the UK for the UK. They are a sovereign nation. They need to learn to put on the big boy pants and uphold their end on their own.
Also neither the EU nor Ireland did anything to start this. That was all UK.
In the end the gfa will never take precedence over EU treaty law. And we are not dealing with the fallout either. So I have no idea what the village idiot here is trying to accomplish.
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Latest Westminster voting intention poll from Yougov shows the Cons taking a 10 point lead over Lab, who lead the LDs by 3 points.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/stat...62916708786177
I don't know whether to be impressed with or worried about the impact Johnson has made on Tory fortunes!
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Boris apparently wants to legalise wacky-baccy so either he'll steal yoof Labour vote or they'll be too stoned to bother voting!
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham...alise-cannabis
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Bad news for would-be British stoners; BoJo doesn't want to legalise cannabis after all.
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/stat...10044907204608
Oh dearie me, more bad news eurochums if the EU refuse to open the WA and ditch the backstop. Not too bad for the, almost fully employed, UK as you can see with its 3% existing unemployment rate. Imagine if you were living somewhere with the current unemployment rate knocking on the door of 10% facing this kind of devastation to jobs.
Will the EU see sense? Or will millions of its citizens not be able to work and afford to put bread on the table for their poor starving children...
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
OK so that map says that in the EU, 1189480 people stand to lose their jobs. Compared to 526830 in the UK. So the UK (1 country) is going to lose half as many jobs due to Brexit as the WHOLE of the EU (27 countries). In terms of per capita, 4 times as many people in the UK will be made redundant due to Brexit as in the EU.
I'm just adding up and dividing the numbers you provide. Thanks @dribbles, for confirming just how fucked the UK is going to be (massively).
Does anybody remember Thatcher's mine closures in the 80s? They only affected 180,000 people. Look how fucked the Midlands and Yorkshire got when they closed. There are still old mining villages where you can buy an entire street for 100 quid.
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