all you people saying havoc is bad clearly havent played havoc at even a heroic level before. its in a really good spot for antorus simming top 5 dps
all you people saying havoc is bad clearly havent played havoc at even a heroic level before. its in a really good spot for antorus simming top 5 dps
Are you forgetting NH? Because it seems like you are. DH has only been weak in the current tier, the others it was perfectly fine. Stop being a melodramatic child. And in M+, we're more than fine. Stuns, imprison, lots of burst damage if you have the shoulders or play demonic. Learn to play your class before you condemn it as terrible
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Statistics don't lie buddy. Has nothing to do with "Learning how to play". There's only 1 Havoc in the top 150 keystones, there's only 4 in the top 500. That's a fact, that's not an opinion, that isn't me "not knowing how to play". Havoc brings nothing that other specs don't bring with higher DPS or better utility. The class is bottom tier overall, with the worst AoE in the game and subpar single target, again fact based off how we're middle of the pack on fights like Goroth and bottom on AoE fights like Mistress or bottom 3 on Desolate Host. Good attempt though, maybe you should learn to read into facts before you want to call someone bad.
Since they announce that there will be no big class rework, I'm making my DH an alt. Bad performance (numbers) aside, the class is just incomplete and glide and fast movement speed isn't going to make it up. If they really stick with the class design, I'm rolling UH DK, maybe even for the next tier.
Considering Havoc has been nerfed, if I remember correctly, every single patch so far in Legion? Good luck going in to BfA.
Not going to speak as to whether you're right or wrong.... however, you do realize that your argument is one that a lot of classes have, "bottom tier, worst AoE, bad single target, no utility." Go look at the paladin, shaman, monk, etc forum boards. They are all having the same crappy (invalid) argument.
I play a shaman. I read the boards here and on warcraft.com. On both sites, shamans complain about earthquake and how poor we are at AOE cause tanks move. About abysmal single target dps cause Lightning Bolt is no longer castable while moving.
"Shamans have no utility," they have way more than a rogue or warrior, but both those classes are top tier.
In both instances the argument is not true. Your statistic about the top 500 people is not a valid one. 500 of 7million players is .00007% of the WoW population. Even multiplied by the 36 specs, 0.0025% of the population, is not an interest rate to write blog about.
If you're trying to play a "top tier class" and be part of the 0.0025%, you're always going to be disappointed. Been playing since vanilla and every class has had its moment in the spotlight (will never forget ret paladins at WotLK release). Every class is fine, nothing is completely broken. If you don't like it, reroll or quit entirely.
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If you're going to be a little shit who plays a shaman, why bother commenting on a Demon Hunter thread? This isn't a conversation about Shaman, Pallies, or Monks so no one really gives a fuck about them here. The fact remains that Havoc was bottom 4 all of ToS and one of the worst specs in M+ since they gutted our AoE in Emerald Nightmare. These are facts, not opinions. Demon Hunter has not had a chance to shine, we got nerfed 1 week into Emerald Nightmare, before Mythic even was released. We were decent in Nighthold. Now we're garbage in ToS. Again facts. So before you're like "oh but what about my class" just shut up because this isn't a thread about you or your class.
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I tank with a druid friend usually and let me tell u, i tank for more time and take less damage as a VDh and him.
DH are ok as tank not OP but good spot. Check the log and check the treath and damage taken. I dont spamm heal on me unless it's really needed.
That's honestly mostly true. I agree with this post.
We are not bad, by any means. But there are other classes that can do what we do and do it either better, or more efficiently.
This has prevented a lot of M+ guilds from giving up one of their spots to take a chance on a class that can do this, rather than that spot going to a class they KNOW can do it.
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That just means your druid friend is bad, sorry. If a Veng is taking less damage than a Guardian, that means the Guardian doesn't know how to play.
Edit: After looking at the logs, yes, he's terrible. 19% uptime on Ironfur lol. 3 uses of Barkskin over almost 7 minutes. He just doesn't know how to play Guardian correctly.
Havoc will probably be a steaming hot pile of poop next expansion. Make sure you give McDonald's an upper decker.