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Time Warner wanted to add data caps, but the FCC stoped them, under net neutrality rules. So expect data caps regardless of what Comcast does.Originally Posted by breadisfunny
https://www.recode.net/2016/4/25/115...band-data-caps
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2017-12-10, 05:37 PM #341The Insane
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It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning.
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2017-12-10, 06:24 PM #342Scarab Lord
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http://hudsonvalleynewsnetwork.com/2...open-internet/
New York Democratic Representative Patrick Maloney introduces a bill which would stop the FCC from killing Net Neutrality.
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2017-12-10, 06:36 PM #343Scarab Lord
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Sadly it probably will fail, given that Republicans are in the majority, and its first stop is a committee that is neck-deep in "free market competition fantasy land!" Republicans in particular. Originally Posted by johnhoftb
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2017-12-10, 09:42 PM #344The Lightbringer
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Is there anything I can do to show support for NN?
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2017-12-10, 09:54 PM #345The Unstoppable Force
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Yeah, financially support an ISP that voluntarily chooses NN protocol. Originally Posted by Clone
I would say the idea that all data is equal is bullshit, but ISPs can choose that policy if they want.
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2017-12-10, 10:01 PM #346Titan
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They cannot really when others aren't bound to the same rules. Originally Posted by PrimaryColor
Some things only work when everyone participates.
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2017-12-10, 10:04 PM #347The Unstoppable Force
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By this logic organic food could not be viable because non-organic food providers are not held to the same standard. In reality, different products can exist when there is demand for both. Originally Posted by Noradin
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2017-12-10, 10:05 PM #348The Insane
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Impossible. We let them become monopolies. There is ZERO choice in most locations. You have (insert Comcast etc here) or DSL. That's it. Originally Posted by PrimaryColor
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning.
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2017-12-10, 10:05 PM #349The Unstoppable Force
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Most places have 1 or 2 ISPs it's not like there's a choice which is why they can get away with it they have us by the balls. Originally Posted by PrimaryColor
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2017-12-10, 10:07 PM #350The Lightbringer
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Only Comcast and At&T in my area. Originally Posted by PrimaryColor
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2017-12-10, 10:11 PM #351Titan
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Did you notice the word "some" im my post? Originally Posted by PrimaryColor
Do you need help finding the definition of it?Last edited by Noradin; 2017-12-10 at 10:13 PM.
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2017-12-10, 10:12 PM #352The Unstoppable Force
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If NN is good, you could get one of them to support it. Originally Posted by Clone
If some place is not big enough for 3+ ISPs that's a local issue and not a federal government issue.
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2017-12-10, 10:16 PM #353The Lightbringer
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I live in Houston, it's plenty big. There are several ISPs in the city, only those two are available in my area. Other place have other but also limited options. Originally Posted by PrimaryColor
NN is good for me, but bad for ISPs because they have to do more to compete with it.
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2017-12-10, 10:17 PM #354Brewmaster
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I Tweeted my ISP, and they said they support NN.
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2017-12-10, 10:18 PM #355Pandaren Monk
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They all say they do on Twitter, but the court battles indicate otherwise. Originally Posted by VGAddict
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2017-12-10, 10:20 PM #356Epic!
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I live in a fairly large suburb of Chicago (population of the suburb alone over 50k), solidly upper middle class area, so it's not a wealth or population limited area. All I have available are Comcast and AT&T and AT&T maxes at 25Mbps which is barely considered broadband these days. I pretty much have no option other than Comcast. Originally Posted by PrimaryColor
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2017-12-10, 10:20 PM #357Brewmaster
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I take online college classes. How will this affect them?
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2017-12-10, 10:20 PM #358Scarab Lord
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This is bizarrely delusional. Originally Posted by PrimaryColor
They don't have to support it. They have a monopoly, and the internet is a necessary service, hence its classification as a utility. They have you bent over a barrel, and you have to take what they offer you at the price they give it to you.
It's not size of your locality that dictates how many ISPs you have. It is the ISPs. They actively work to avoid competing with one another, because they view it as cost prohibitive to build networks in another ISP's territory. That was precisely the argument they used when explaining to the government why there would be no loss of competition if one giant ISP absorbed another. I live in one of the biggest metro areas in the country and I have a "choice" between two ISPs, DSL and cable, and let's not pretend DSL is broadband.
The more you post, the more painfully obvious it becomes that you don't actually engage in normal society like the rest of us. This is the stuff just us measly peasant class folks have to deal with, I suppose.
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2017-12-10, 10:21 PM #359The Unstoppable Force
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Exactly, they have to specifically say they will carry out NN protocol at the network level. Otherwise it's just about PR. Originally Posted by wunksta
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2017-12-10, 10:43 PM #360The Lightbringer
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Important differences between organic food and NN: Originally Posted by PrimaryColor
1) ISP services present a so-called natural monopoly, due to their high initial cost of entering a new market. Organic food can simply be sent to retailers in a new town at a relatively low cost. Entering a towns cable market is much more costly and thus needs a high expected payoff. However, since one cannot just set up a sample ISP there, knowing whether or not a new ISP in town will be competitive is hard to gauge beforehand.
2) Consumers face relatively high costs changing ISPs (new hardware possibly, but due to low competition in 1) it usually involves moving outright if you want to change ISP). Changing from non-organic to organic food only has the price difference and possibly having to go to another store, unless it is not offered in a town. But it is more likely to be available than a different ISP due to point 1)
3) Monopolies on the market are supported by the US government
4) ISPs do not create the content that makes their product desirable. ISPs are not food providers. They are the retail stores where you have to buy your food.
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