Father Shoots Gunman Threatening Family in Texas Restaurant

[Gaaz]

Not legally. Of course criminals do not care about the laws can sometimes. Which is another good reason to be prepared for them. And a gun owner who chooses to use a firearm , always faces the consequences of using it. And there are many cases where they have been prosecuted for misusing one. This father however was well within his rights to use deadly force to stop a deadly threat.

I would assume that if a convicted felon can get a Concealed Carry Licence, the phrase "anyone can get a gun" stands.

CONCEALED CARRY CRIMINALS
Weak permitting systems allow dangerous people to carry guns. A Los Angeles Times analysis of Texas CCW holders, for example, found that between 1995 and 2000, more than 400 convicted criminals—including rapists and armed robbers—had been issued CCW licenses under the state’s permitting law.5 A similar study by the South Florida Sun-Sentinel found that in just the first half of 2006, Florida had issued CCW licenses to more than 1,400 individuals who had pleaded guilty or no contest to felonies, 216 individuals with outstanding warrants, 128 people with active domestic violence injunctions against them, and six registered sex offenders.6 An investigation by the Indianapolis Star regarding CCW permit holders in Indiana revealed similar problems with the state’s permitting system.7

Another study of Texas’ permissive concealed carry law found that between January 1, 1996, (when the law first took effect) and August 31, 2001, Texas concealed handgun license holders were arrested for 5,314 crimes, including murder, rape, kidnapping and theft.8 The investigation found that some license holders had been arrested for more than two crimes per day, and for more than four drunk driving offenses per week. From 1996 to 2000, license holders were arrested for weapons-related crimes at a rate 81 percent higher than that of the state’s general population age 21 and older.9

A Violence Policy Center analysis has also found that CCW permit holders have perpetrated at least 31 mass shootings and killed at least 1,082 people since May 2007.10

[Dald]

You anti-gun cucks are hilarious.

I hate using that word but it perfectly describes the lot of you.

[Gaaz]

Ok. https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm of course the anti-gunners will dispute those statistics and use the studies which are tilted in their favor. Studies which count suicides as firearm death's when that is a different situation and not related to self defense at all.

That is not a study. That is a claim. I am sure you can google the bonkers from these numbers pretty quickly. As it stands now, FBI (or whatever agency that is keeping the interstate criminal records) puts this number at just over 60000 per year. Legitimate self defense homicides are close to 250 each year. I tend to trust this figure more than thinking that 1 in 100 americans has to shoot at someone in self defence each year. You would pretty quickly run out of americans that way.
Unless your argument is that FBI is actively suppressing that statistic and is actually an anti-gun organization...
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ndhomicidemain

[Hellrime]

I would assume that if a convicted felon can get a Concealed Carry Licence, the phrase "anyone can get a gun" stands.

So we're correlating drunk driving and other crimes directly to gun ownership and concealed carry?


Mmm, that is good reaching. Many things could be correlated to other crimes or even demographics, but that would be wrong.

[Ghostpanther]

I would assume that if a convicted felon can get a Concealed Carry Licence, the phrase "anyone can get a gun" stands.

Here is a interesting article about this. http://www.gunlawsbystate.com/felons-and-firearms/ the important part is it is Federal crime for anyone to possess a firearm who has been convicted of a felon. However, as this article points out, there may be in some cases, for a person to have the right to possess a firearm restored. And we must also point out, that officials are guilty of not doing their job, as the case of the mass shooter in the Texas church. The Air Force is to blame for part of that for failing to do the report as required by law.

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That is not a study. That is a claim. I am sure you can google the bonkers from these numbers pretty quickly. As it stands now, FBI (or whatever agency that is keeping the interstate criminal records) puts this number at just over 60000 per year. Legitimate self defense homicides are close to 250 each year. I tend to trust this figure more than thinking that 1 in 100 americans has to shoot at someone in self defence each year. You would pretty quickly run out of americans that way.
Unless your argument is that FBI is actively suppressing that statistic and is actually an anti-gun organization...
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ndhomicidemain

Na..the article has references to studies. Scroll down to the bottom for the lists.

And as a side note, the FBI in the last 10 years issued failed background checks to over 1 million persons.

[Arthas242]

It's his own fault he's dead. If he didn't want to die he shouldn't have threatened people at gun point. In Texas.

exactly he should of went to California and to a GUN FREE ZONE!

cause even when he would read the sign he would make sure tnot to bring his gun......oh wait, he just found the best spot to rob.

[Ealyssa]

one person died instead of a whole lot of people.

A whole lot ? That robber goal was to kill people ? Or was it money ?

So while I have certainly no sympathy for the criminal, it would be more accurate to say "one person died for a few dollars".

[Ghostpanther]

A whole lot ? That robber goal was to kill people ? Or was it money ?

So while I have certainly no sympathy for the criminal, it would be more accurate to say "one person died for a few dollars".

Fist full of dollars I liked that movie. lol!

[Osmeric]

A whole lot ? That robber goal was to kill people ? Or was it money ?

So while I have certainly no sympathy for the criminal, it would be more accurate to say "one person died for a few dollars".

He died for illegally and directly threatening others with lethal force. His killing would have been justified even if no money at all were involved.

[Alvito]

Would you be happy if your family survived a car crash bad enough it could have killed them?

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America, where we have a Constitutional right to defend ourselves with firearms.

Happy that nobody was physically hurt, yes. That they had to go through that and the fear that might bring down the road no.

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Nope. And better that than the children shot dead in front of the father.

Being better then other possible outcomes doesn't by default make it a happy ending.

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Yes, the happier ending would have been if the children were shot, amirite? Is my heart bleeding enough?

Who knows what your heart is doing, your brain however seems to be taking a vacation. Acting like there was only 2 outcomes and one is happy and one is sad is beyond foolish.

[Ghostpanther]

Happy that nobody was physically hurt, yes. That they had to go through that and the fear that might bring down the road no.

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Being better then other possible outcomes doesn't by default make it a happy ending.

Of course. I would not want my family to experience a car crash. But doing so could provide valuable lessons on the need for precautions such as wearing a seat belt and safe driving.

[tankbug]

Not legally. Of course criminals do not care about the laws can sometimes. Which is another good reason to be prepared for them. And a gun owner who chooses to use a firearm , always faces the consequences of using it. And there are many cases where they have been prosecuted for misusing one. This father however was well within his rights to use deadly force to stop a deadly threat.

I would say, based on what I read in the news about shooting incidents, that background checks aren't strict enough, and conservative lawmakers are doing what they can to remove it, since the 2nd amendment doesn't say much about exceptions, I guess.
I also think that when it comes to guns, that retroactive justice isn't enough. It won't bring dead people back to life. It's better to reduce the chance for such events to take place.
Anyways, I don't know this situation well enough to judge if this kill was unavoidable, but generally I think people in here have a very simplistic view on society and crime, lack of respect for life, and are worshiping macho ideals to the extreme. They don't see the sarcasm in Judge Dredd and Robocop.

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You anti-gun cucks are hilarious.

I hate using that word but it perfectly describes the lot of you.

I love shooting guns at the range.
I love the mechanics and the history of guns.
I don't love the thought of you narrow-minded, short-sighted, self-righteous, reckless, barbaric simpletons carrying them everywhere just waiting for a chance to make a kill so you can finally feel like you have some influence in the world.

[Beazy]

Lots of people are getting concealed carry in TX.

A few weeks ago there was a report on NBCDFW about conceal carry classes being over booked since Jan of 2016. They actually had to up the hours and operating times for the classes to accommodate the hundreds of thousands of people trying to get a lisc, all across the state, even in the Texas liberal bastion of crayola blue Austin..... You might want to do armed robbery in another state, just sayin`.

[Daelak]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...nio-restaurant



I love a story with a happy ending, the state should award them a check for 10% of the cost the state would have incurred paying for this guy to be imprisoned.

I'd wait for the security footage to leak.

[Gaaz]

Na..the article has references to studies. Scroll down to the bottom for the lists.

Not impressed, seeing as there is a single name in half of these "sources". I must stress, that I find it much more believable when a source such as an official FBI statement gives you solid and accountable data on what "has actually happened", than a study that made a random call to 5000 residents in one of the areas with worst criminology situations in the US and multiplied it to account 350 million US people.
An Analysis of Federal Bureau of Investigation and National Crime Victimization Survey Data.
http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf
Hard numbers, actual cases, everything that is known to the US police basically. Again, unless your argument is that FBI is an anti-gun organization that skews numbers in their favor by at least an order of magnitude (that is an extra 0 at the end, for those who are unfamiliar with the term) and then divides the result by another random 3 to 5 number, I tend to trust official government sources more than the so called "researchers".

[Rustedsaint]

While i have no sympathy for the robber being killed and don’t fault the father for protecting his family, the whole celebrating the death of the robber some people in this thread are doing is disgusting.

[Hyral]

A criminal is gone, a family is safe. Not much else to say about it.

[Daelak]

A criminal is gone, a family is safe. Not much else to say about it.

That's what I would say to if I was the only living witness.

[Hyral]

That's what I would say to if I was the only living witness.

The place was completely empty, without even employees, and when the police say that he "really saved the day and protected a lot of people." are just making it up? I suppose that could be possible and the people in question are his family, though that would still mean more than one witness.

[Daelak]

The place was completely empty, without even employees, and when the police say that he "really saved the day and protected a lot of people." are just making it up? I suppose that could be possible and the people in question are his family, though that would still mean more than one witness.

They are deferring to the only living witness' account and his family. Would your own family rat you out if you killed someone with no other witnesses?