Not only that, every time I or someone posts about night elves getting things to support their Highborne and arcane wielding section of night elves - which is a major part of night elf lore (considering all things pre-sundering for night elves were heavily arcane influenced, the race's creation, it's purple skin and eye colour, the Well of eternity, all those arcane star and moon spells that even the priest and druids of the long vigil use despite their arcane abstinence during that era) the utter failure to recognise this is part of the night elf fantasy - something I didn't design, but the lore did - just because the night elf sub-race 9i.e. the Nightborne) were placed on the horde - the amount of attacks I get just of r suggesting night elves should have visible things in game to reflect that - the horde fans seem to think the horde is fully entitled to that.. it is a bit disgusting.
they make an assumption that i am some alliance zealot because I advocate for Highborne stuff on the night elves - but I'm not, it's part of the night elf fantasy I have liked, that's my main motivation, and it's just weird that it should be all funnelled to the horde that is a faction which is not based on such things, but if you like the night elves you can't experience that on the playable night elves?
I don't hate the Nightborne (quite the opposite), I don't hate the blood elves and I certainly don't hate the horde, requesting alliance representation and that night elven lore stuff should be dominant on the alliance because that race is based there and high elf stuff too by the same logic is done because that sort of thing is alliance centric - is the logic behind my reasoning and suggestions, and is not because i hate the horde or hate Nightborne and blood elves.
I have no power to make this be, I'm not fighting a media campaign to attract the devs to see this and make those changes, I'm merely discussing my observations and desires and trying to explain why they appeal to me, and why they make sense in the environment and faction setting.
some suggested that it's high elves and night elves that should change, while blood elves and Nightborne remain the same, I got tired of pointing out that it's the horde elves that are alliance centric in alliance elven based identities on a faction that is supposed to be different, it's they that should change. Also pointing out that the void elves were one such change, but just because they doesn't mean the alliance shouldn't get high elves. Just because a race gets a sub-race doesn't mean that the main race is obsolete and now belongs to the opposite faction. So if the alliance got Zandalari trolls or Highmountain Tauren - essentially Tauren should be made obsolete on the horde and darkspears too? This is the logic behind people who feel because the alliance has void elves, therefore high elves, who've always been there just not playable) , should be obsolete.. worse is those who use the argument to say night elves mustn't have any Highborne or night elven arcane thing.
The logic is even more non-sensical, because the Highborne have been part of the night elves long before blizzard brought back Suramar into the game and the Nightborne - (a night elf sub-race) and then opted to take them horde), the night elves have always had arcane elements, even in the long vigil setting (before you even consider the Highborne in dire maul, then the Farondis, Moonguard, and Nightborne of 7.0), and that's just in game, in the lore, the genesis of the race is entirely arcane based, with an arcane and nature duality, it is illogical to demand and suggest that night elven fans wanting more visible representation for that part of their races lore shouldn't get it and must switch tot he horde, and play the night elf sub-race the Nightborne. It's like telling Draenei plays who like the light, that now Lightforged are available, and represent the light in an even stronger way, those who like that aspect in draenei must play Lightforged and only Lightforged should be developed. worse, is if Lightforged were placed on the horde, the equivalent demand seems to be that Draenei shouldn't get light development because Lightforged is on the horde now...--it's insane logic.
Yet, I am actually harassed for suggesting night elf arcane updates, almost as if I have no right to want them, ask for them or suggest them, or even worse, I have no right to desire. I'm told night elves abandoned this a long time ago, like I'm not aware of night elf lore, even though I try to point out that the arcane has always been a part of the night elves in some way or another and at a fundamental level (me and others have often demonstrated in detail (for a forum post that is), there are more to night elves than the long vigil, different types of night elves. Then as if to ignore that statement, I'm told how few the night elven Highborne out. I point out it doesn't matter how large or small their number is, it's a strong part of their fantasy and lore and history, their silver glowing yes, purple skin, even their priests and druids of the long vigil wield arcane spells when they summon the stars and moon - and regardless of how large or small the Highborne are, they are there, and they are not the only ones, we have Moonguard, we have Illidari - they are as mall group but have powerful fantasy that is represented. the void elves are a small group but have a powerful fantasy, how many small groups are out there but still have powerful representation? Darkspear trolls, gnomes, void elves, Illidari demon hunters, - but somehow a key part of night elf lore should be entirely neglected and unrepresented just because it's small or because the sub-race is on a faction that isn't based on those very alliance themes?
But because I argue to make my point I am cast as some alliance zealot? Maybe because I do have a point and I refuse their arguments, is why I challenge them back and don't just shut up - it's not because I'm some alliance zealot, there is a point there, why should I be public enemy number one, called delusional or crazy just because i argue for night elves to get part oft heir heritage back? Because horde elf fans don't like it and feel it belongs to them - and when I point out all of that representation their is alliance based not horde, and the high elves too should be based alliance - and I refuse to backdown, I am called names.
But i am not an alliance zealot, I like both factions, but when it comes to the elves I favour them for the alliance more because their lore and presentation is alliance themed and based, and so I argue for my point, not because i hate the horde. Not once (in my serious suggestions ) have i said the horde should lose blood elves - even though I have remarked they shouldn't have gone there in the first place, it's not a statement of hating the blood elves, but one of my opinion regarding the alignment of the races and the effect the switch caused, but it happened, and now it has happened, what can we do to redress the imbalance (an imbalance form the perspective of distinct faction identities )given that the horde must continue to have playable blood elves and models.. well the solution is simple, divorce those blodo elves in the lore and narrative from all things high elven and develop a different character and way of life that is not identical to the high elves.. move them away from it, like they were doing between TFT and TBC era, where blood elves were not classic high elves, but were more a bad boy , anti-hero and villainous type, but that got scrapped.. don't give them high elven civilization. this doesn't unmake them it just develops them differently. Because you don't want them to have or feel alliance type anymore.
i then proceed to point out the horde no longer needs to have/attract alliance players via the blood elves, they are already the majority and thriving faction, they don't need the blood elves to be high elven /human like in terms of culture and behaviour, they can now be developed into something else, in contrast it is the alliance that needs its elves looking high elven and shiny and available, it's night elves now showing the full extent of the great race they were originally designed to be. it amazes me that the Zandalari and every horde race can be portrayed as great, but the minute you suggest an alliance race other than human be portrayed as worth while, you are jumped on, because for some reason that is not allowed. And pointing out that elves makes the alliance more exciting above any other race and their fans are more excited about elves in Warcraft than any other race is proof this is where the focus must be if they want to make the alliance attractive.
What's wrong with letting the alliance actually be the more attractive faction for things like elves, arcane magic, cities, nobility, high society like religion and all the things Azeroth's alliance faction is based on while the horde actually represents other things - from your wounded minority to your aggressive evil guy, sure the alliance can have anti-hero wounded minorities barely accepted, and the horde can have noble minded people - but it is problematic when you make the noble-minded alliance-civilization type on the horde so big, it obscures the horde identity, and it is very big in the mind of players because many play blood elves and blood elves identity is too alliance based. it would problematic if your persecuted minority or anti-hero type were huge on the alliance in a very visible and more attractive way than on the horde it warps the alliance identity.
it's not to say the alliance can't have anti-hero /persecuted minority or even aggressive evil types - but his must be a minority , small part, part of something that is either being fought or far less visible.. same with the horde, it can have alliance type/minded lot that eschew alliance values, but they cannot be large, shiny and pompous type.. this is why when I suggested the blood elves get developed to have different things and a non-high elven identity, i did say players should still have access to the current model for those who want to play a high elf type blood elf, and some of the blood elf npcs can be written to hold on to those values, but they should be a minority, like 1 in 10, the majority of the blood elves should embrace the new direction and it should be cool, because we want the horde elven players to take to this non-high elven portrayal, and even customise their characters to it, so the majority of them would not only feel distinct from a narrative and presentation perspective but mostly look distinct by picking up those appearances.
Sadly, instead of consider the logic of this, even if they don't' support it, you notice how i am attacked for standing my ground and refusing to alter my point, or abandon rational and logic because it's not popular and because I'm bullied. Well I have taken a beaten for y beliefs before , by people who don't like what i have to say, even when there is truth to it and sense to it, I'm not about to start changing the facts and logic because they hate me. it's just my idea and desire, why should i change it/ i haven o power to implement it in game, it's not been implemented in game either yet, and the devs certainly aren't listening in , why attack me for that?
They talk about my points being some death of the horde, thunder does, in a complete over reaction, did the alliance die when the blood elves went over? and that was a far bigger thing because the blood elves are high elves and alliance based and themed, and when they were placed on the horde they were done in an incredible way that out shone everything on the alliance, you basically had all the things alliance does, done best in the blood elves which matches the lore) and that now on the horde, that didn't destroy the alliance, but it was a serious blow to it, because the blood elves are alliance themed and you having the best of the alliance represented on the horde, the opposite will not be true of those things return to the alliance, because that part of the blood elves is not horde based at all, it coming back to the alliance is not the same things as it was when the blood elves or Nightborne went over, it's impact won't be as huge, because it's not a horde theme that is coming back, it's an alliance theme, that was always alliance and still is alliance even if it is on the horde, that is returning, the horde will not suffer anywhere near as much as the alliance did, it won't lure horde minded players over, just the alliance minded ones that are on the horde, and they would have some attractive things on the horde to stay there if they choose too, because the horde isn't losing the blood elf model, just the high elf society that is in the blood elves, they wont' be losing the Nightborne model either, just the kaldorei civilization/empire society on them, they would have just have a period where they can't lord it over alliance scum or have bragging rights for being so alliance like (something that if you think about it is absurd, all those horde elf players feeling arrogant and contemptuous because blood elves are prettier and better than humans are glorifying in the horde for being so alliance like - oh the irony) it is better if they become proud of the horde for being horde like. With the horde extremely popular, in a day and age, where it si more popular to be the monster, or the afflicted one, or the anti-hero one, trust me, as long as the horde keep the models, they are not in danger by losing the alliance shininess of the high elf kingdom and the kaldorei civilization.
The alliance has to have some attractions over the horde, you can't have the horde keep the beset parts of the alliance, the better alliance type cities, have the better type alliance models, and also have the cool monsters, bad boys, anti hero types too, and expect the alliance to compete and be equal. So the horde losing the pretty city and civilization back tot he alliance, but keeping its model is going to be more than enough.
and this is how it should be, the blood elf model which is the high elf should not be unique to the horde because it's high elven, you no longer need that net lure to the horde, and because you can't remove the model, they will have to share, no longer should players be drawn to pick the horde over the alliance because the prettier model is there, this is nullified by them both having the pretty model. if the blood elf model is then added cool OPTIONAL bad boy and monster customisations (like the fel horns the demon hunter model has, vampire fang appearances, and blood red eyes and undead skin tone appearances - something that the high elf equivalent will not have) in addition to some new things that represent (blood crystals, nether magic - or whatever they do for the blood elves) then you encourage appearance silhouette changes, which while optional, if attractive or cool enough will entice blood elf players to largely pick it minimising the amount who just keep the high elf appearance. Allowing the factions to be different.
But the main thing is in the narrative, the cities, the culture of the high elves and the kaldorei leave the horde, Suramar aligns itself with the alliance in addition to most of it's elves regaining their night elven appearance thanks to the healing of the Arcan'dor this is preceded by the blood elves in Quel'thalas who chose to finally re-identify as high elves - leaving those who remain blood elves and Nightborne (who reject the night elven transformation and not only halt it magically, but refuse the direction of Suramar) to be a small remnant. The point is if that remnant want to continue operating as high elves and kaldorei pre-sundering society, then they shouldn't be impactful in lore decisions, they should be small, very occasionally used because you don't want this to dominate the horde as it's too alliancey. But, if you instead take it a different direction and the remnant divorce that alliance-based culture, those alliance themes and develop new ones more compatible to the horde or at least different to the alliance - (examples are given in the naga, the San'layn, the bad boy anti-hero Illdiari , but not limited to these), you can make these a lot more prominent, because now they aren't looking and feeling alliance anymore, their prominence won't detract from the uniqueness oft he horde over the alliance, but add to it.