Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Frenchvince]

To be fair, many of the pro crowd have stated they're happy to settle with what has been given. There however always some "bad apples mixed among the good", these players wouldn't be happy till they get exactly what they want even if it meant breaking the lore or costing blood elves all of their uniqueness.

I'm probably one of the people who ask too much but from the moment when Blizzard allows the void elves to have natural skin colors, it is normal that we ask for natural hair colors, to be able to make a high elf.
Void elves may very well have the blood elf hair colors, but with different shades, much like it was done for SW / KT humans.

[Varodoc]

To be fair, many of the pro crowd have stated they're happy to settle with what has been given. There however always some "bad apples mixed among the good", these players wouldn't be happy till they get exactly what they want even if it meant breaking the lore or costing blood elves all of their uniqueness.

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Lore and immersion are important parts of the game. How would you feel if blizzard had decided to transform any remaining alliance high elf into a withered just for some story beat? How would other "pro" players feel? If you complained then would it be fair for us to say "it's just a game ffs" and expect you to get over it 1 day later? It's a videogame, yes, but every game abides by certain rules and principles that form the experience of that game. The lore is one of WoW's attributes that form a part of the game's immersion. It's not about restricting things for the sake of it, it's about preserving important aspects of the game. Else we might as well make gnome and tauren DH (despite how silly they'd look and feel), murlock paladins, goblin druids, etc..

Yes, make those race-class combinations playable. There's nothing left to salvage after Lightforged DK became playable.

[Lorca]

Lightforged DKs are just as "lore-breaking" as void elves paladins. Blizzard has already said they don't want continuity to tie their hands. Let's stop deluding ourselves that void elves paladins will never happen because it would be "lore-breaking".

The thing with LF Dks and Void Elves Dks is that even if they are kinda an abomination from a previous lore pov, Blizzard added them just to prevent having the only-Alliance players crying again about them having less class combos -which would have happened totally sure and even if they weren't going to play any of those races-, because for the Horde Allied races it doesn't feel forced to make them able to become DKs, they are all regular and natural beings not directly corrupted or infused by any energy.

If they ever make Void Elves paladin a thing, just take out the class restrictions, as everyone would be in his right to be able to play any race-class combo.

[Lahis]

If they ever make Void Elves paladin a thing, just take out the class restrictions, as everyone would be in his right to be able to play any race-class combo.

Druids existing mean they can't ever do that. Making animal forms for every race is too much effort for them.

[Rootsbum]

Remember when BLoodElfs couldnt be warriors?
DoNt ADd nEw clAsSes, BlO0d elVes ARe MAgicaL

[DeicideUH]

Druids existing mean they can't ever do that. Making animal forms for every race is too much effort for them.

Also Demon Hunters having their own metamorphosis and customization options.

[Lahis]

Remember when BLoodElfs couldnt be warriors?
DoNt ADd nEw clAsSes, BlO0d elVes ARe MAgicaL

That was stupid to begin with. Elven warriors had been a thing before and can't argue "They're too weak/magical to be brutish warriors!" when Gnomes can do it.

[Frenchvince]

Also Demon Hunters having their own metamorphosis and customization options.

Shamans have their totem skins in relation to the race chosen.

[Lorca]

Druids existing mean they can't ever do that. Making animal forms for every race is too much effort for them.

So? I don't buy the "it would be easier to implement" argument. Look at the new DKs: they don't even have any proper DK customization option. They could opt for the current version of the druid forms and tweak it a bit. Also, Dwarves, Orcs, Nightborne or even Vulpera druids make more sense than Void Elves paladins. And Kul Tiran make even more sense as paladins, but still they don't have that option and I haven't seen such a big campaign as the one for the Elves paladin thing. If they open Pandora's box (if that ever happens), everyone would be entitled to ask and expect any race-class, and there's not much room for debating that, imho.

[Lahis]

Shamans have their totem skins in relation to the race chosen.

Totems are just a small prop. You need one vaguely race themed model and add 4 different spell effects on it. Much less work than working demon hunter customizations and forms and druid forms for every race.

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So? I don't buy the "it would be easier to implement" argument. Look at the new DKs: they don't even have any proper DK customization option. They could opt for the current version of the druid forms and tweak it a bit. Also, Dwarves, Orcs, Nightborne or even Vulpera druids make more sense than Void Elves paladins. And Kul Tiran make even more sense as paladins, but still they don't have that option and I haven't seen such a big campaign as the one for the Elves paladin thing. If they open Pandora's box (if that ever happens), everyone would be entitled to ask and expect any race-class, and there's not much room for debating that, imho.

Just imagine the outcry for laziness if they made new druid races without druid form for them.

[DeicideUH]

Shamans have their totem skins in relation to the race chosen.

Totems are fairly easier to do in complexity, variation (one design for all four elements) and animations, thought.

[Lorca]

Just imagine the outcry for laziness if they made new druid races without druid form for them.

Look at the feral and bear form of the Zandalari: just beasts you can fin around Zuldazar with tattoos and some minor jewelry. Still people in general seem to be kinda ok with that. Same could be done for those other races I mention: take a model already done and tweak it, like hyenas, manasabers and so on. For the balance form they could use the moonkin form with other colors, tattoos and jewelry. I mean, not much work compared to doing new races and models like the ones they are doing for Shadowlands.

It's funny how people can ask and ask for more effort put into one race and more and more options, but when other people ask for the same treatment for other races then they are told that that's too much investment... 8)

[Frenchvince]

Totems are fairly easier to do in complexity, variation (one design for all four elements) and animations, thought.

Certainly, it requires less work to provide but it is part of the aesthetics of the class anyway.
The paladin are in the same case with their mount, note that the lightforged draenei paladin still do not have their class mount, it is sad for them.
I wonder what mount the void elven paladins could have, if class would be available to them, a void unicorn with armor. xD

[Lahis]

Certainly, it requires less work to provide but it is part of the aesthetics of the class anyway.
The paladin are in the same case with their mount, note that the lightforged draenei paladin still do not have their class mount, it is sad for them.
I wonder what mount the void elven paladins could have, if class would be available to them, a void unicorn with armor. xD

They would probably use the normal horse to parallel Blood Elves.

[DeicideUH]

They would probably use the normal horse to parallel Blood Elves.

It could end up benefiting blood elves just like creating a dark iron mount ended up benefiting normal dwarves with a recolor.

Look at the feral and bear form of the Zandalari: just beasts you can fin around Zuldazar with tattoos and some minor jewelry.

Yeah, but those models weren't just lying around, they were created for that expansion. Not every race would have appropriate HD creatures just waiting to be used as a base, and, while modifying a model may not be that much work if you aim a single race, it does become quite a lot when you are trying to add druids to everyone.

[Frenchvince]

It could end up benefiting blood elves just like creating a dark iron mount ended up benefiting normal dwarves with a recolor.

And humans at the same time !
She really needs an update this paladin mount of human / BE.

[Lahis]

It could end up benefiting blood elves just like creating a dark iron mount ended up benefiting normal dwarves with a recolor.


Yeah, but those models weren't just lying around, they were created for that expansion. Not every race would have appropriate HD creatures just waiting to be used as a base, and, while modifying a model may not be that much work if you aim a single race, it does become quite a lot when you are trying to add druids to everyone.

Not to mention, the Zandalari bear and cat forms were created to be the Zandalari Bear and Cat forms. There is no dinosaurs like them, and their physiology makes sense only as replacement for bears and cats.

Then they were used as beast models in the wild. Complete with the troll tusks that are there only because of they're shapeshift forms.

[DeicideUH]

Not to mention, the Zandalari bear and cat forms were created to be the Zandalari Bear and Cat forms. There is no dinosaurs like them, and their physiology makes sense only as replacement for bears and cats.

Then they were used as beast models in the wild. Complete with the troll tusks that are there only because of they're shapeshift forms.

True that, they appeared as druid forms first, then were ported to mobs. I had forgotten it!

[Ardenaso]

Remember when BLoodElfs couldnt be warriors?
DoNt ADd nEw clAsSes, BlO0d elVes ARe MAgicaL

they may be medieval nerds but I'm sure they aren't soyboys

[Syegfryed]

Void elves may very well have the blood elf hair colors, but with different shades, much like it was done for SW / KT humans.

but does Kt and SW humans looks also exactly the same? no, then the situation isn't comparable.

At least let some visual differences between the races, world will not end because you don't have all the hair shades

To be fair, many of the pro crowd have stated they're happy to settle with what has been given. There however always some "bad apples mixed among the good", these players wouldn't be happy till they get exactly what they want even if it meant breaking the lore or costing blood elves all of their uniqueness.
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the problem is how they also keep spamming the forums, just like the other, thats why i said blizzard should not have done it, elf fanbase are the worst, they will demand more and more, even if they literally get what they want, things will always escalate, next ask for quel'thalas, next, remove void elves from the game entirelly.

Yes, make those race-class combinations playable. There's nothing left to salvage after Lightforged DK became playable.

there is nothing wrong in LF draenei DK, a LF draenei corpse is like any corpse and can be raised

later they can get their previous light powers trough faith or will powers, being undead don't make it impossible to use the light, Sir Zeliek did, forsakens do.