We don't know plus we don't know is "a rough picture". There is no napkin math that can be done to come to any conclusion about how much money the show made for Amazon.
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Has any show ever stated views were start to finish?
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So, nothing on your part, again, but your feelings and more 'you don't know that', with nothing to back up your claims and trying to devalue rational reasoning with your emotions. But I am the biased one. Sure.
Also, sure. New subs aren't the only way to make money. But here's the thing. If you don't grow the revenue you make, in this case, drawing in new customers, but you increase your spendings by a billion dollars, what happens to your profit?
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All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
No, it isn't. You're - again- trying to equate not being able to know with not being able to make a reasonable assumption. The math has been done. Just scroll up.
Oh, wait, so, if views doesn't mean 'from start to finish', what you're saying is that even LESS people than 100 million watched the show?
Of course you are the biased one. You are pretend like you have actual data rather then just your feelings. I'm not biased either way on the show's performance. It could have lost money. It could have earned money. From Amazon's statements it appears the show was a success. 100 million views, and it broke all previous records for new sign ups and views.
You are lashing out and pretending that you have access to some kind of secret data that has allowed you to do "napkin math" to determine the show has lost money.
Here is an example of you not having a bias. Which has clearly changed despite still having 0 information to draw conclusions and nothing to back up your claims other then "I a say so".
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How can you do math when you don't know the information? That isn't reasonable in the slightest. You are making up values to fit the narrative you want. How many new subscriptions did the show get Prime? How many current subscribers watched it? How many cancelled? How many of those new subscribers were just Video and not Prime? How many made other purchases during that time period? All things that you don't know which means you didn't do any math and haven't made any reasonable conclusions. Lmao.
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All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
Show was pretty sweet.
Was fun watching, acting like Batman "Where's Sauron???" Hehehhe.
Again, I know it's difficult for you to understand that concept, but assumptions aren't based on feelings.
I'm not pretending to know anything, that's (another) blatant lie on your part. I'm also not lashing out, buddy. You're the one who is increasingly agitated because you desperatly try to hold on to the fantasy of 'All assumptions are equally valid'.
The point I made 2 weeks ago and the point I'm making today are the exact same thing. We don't know what 100 million views means, but we can speculate.
And saying 'we don't know the information' is another blatant lie by you. You've even repeated some of the infos we have. You're just unwilling or unable to get to any conlcusions. None of the values I used are made up. They are assumptions. That's not the same thing.
Again. Point out what I've said is unreasonable to you, and why.
Or keep flailing.
You don't have the information to make these assumptions on anything but feelings. If the point you made today and two weeks ago are the same then why is it that today you said we have enough information to say the show lost money but two weeks ago you said we don't have enough information? You are now lying while saying I'm the one increasingly agitated. It is pure projection on your part lol.
We don't know the information to say if they show made money or lost money. 100 million viewers is not in indication of money made. Breaking all previous prime records for viewers and new sign ups (tracked by first show watched after sign up) is not an indication of how much money the show made. Your assumptions are you've argued that the show lost money. You have no way of knowing that based on the information given.
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Dude, I never said that two weeks ago. You even bothered to search for and quote what I said. Literally nothing I said back then goes near the question of success. So please stop putting words into my mouth, it's just another pathetic attempt at gaslighting on your part.
There are more than enough indicators to make an assumption whether or not the show was financially succesfull. Or rather, there are many MANY indicators that it wasn't, and not one that it was.
Do you think that the show drew in enough new subscribers to warrant the 500 million to 1 billion Dollar cost? Or rather, turn a profit? And what makes you think so?
Did the show get huge social media engagement to indicate it spread throughout potential customers? No. It fell short of the engagement House of the Dragon got. Did it get really good critiques? Nope. Mediocre ones. Yes, 6.9 average is mediocre.
The show lost money. Lots of it.
So having no information on how many were attracted by the show has nothing to do with success? Two weeks ago you said we didn't have enough information. The only thing that has changed for information is Amazon stated that they broke previous records for viewers and sign ups on the Prime Video platform. So there are no indicators for the show being a financial success or not. All we have are assumptions. You are using your feelings, and bias, to assume it wasn't successful.
New subscribers isn't the only way Amazon uses to judge a show for success. I'm beginning to regret posting that link since you keep misconstruing it. Regardless how do you know that it didn't draw in enough new subscribers for Amazon to call it a success on that regard? What are the many indicators that show us how many new accounts they got?
House of the Dragon is not Rings of Power. Why is it an automatic failure just because it didn't have the same level of social media engagement? With how much all the haters keep discussing the show here it is an indicator it is doing something right. Because you all can't let it go and have to keep trying to tear it down. All you have for the show losing lots of money is "I say so".
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https://fortune.com/2018/03/16/amazo...ime-originals/
This is How Amazon Evaluates the Success of Amazon Prime Originals
Amazon measures “cost per first stream,” which divides the total cost of producing and marketing an original show by the number of people who stream it after signing up for Prime
Just wanted to throw this out there since there's so much questioning on how Amazon judges success.
That is how it works, new shows keep subs and get more subs plain and simple, they have also not spent 1 billion on the show, the first 2 seasons are estimated to cost that, all the money generated in amazon prime is attributed to the most popular show amazon has at the time and RoP beats all other shows by a massive margin.
Its 100 million viewers, which means seperate ppl watching it not views.
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You do realise alot of ppl dont use amazon prime to watch stuff right, if you think 100 million viewers is a bad sign you are just proving to everyone you lack integrity because you dont like something but more ppl actually do like it, most shows never even reach that number, in no world is that many views bad.
They have not spent 1 billion on the show have they, is season 2 completed no so they have spent about half a billion so far, they make multiple billions every single month from amazon prime so they have made thier money back and more.
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That's INCREDIBLY, even fallaciously, reductive, though.
No one is saying the show DIDN'T generate ANY subs. Which is the only claim this kind of statement would refute. You're trying to argue against a version of the claim that no one is putting forward - textbook definition of strawman.
The entire crux lies in HOW MANY subs it generated. You can't just handwave away THE most important, most central part of the issue at hand.
Number of subs gained at the time of a new show is completely irrelevant, if you are only going to sub 1 month to watch a show then those are the subs that matter the least, the most important subs are the ones who will remain subbed because the platform has enough content to keep them around, you are ignoring the most important aspect of the platform.
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Both are important to Amazon. The problem is only the calculations Amazon uses for new subs is known so they are all trying to tear the show down through those. Existing subscriptions are important as well because that keeps people buying on the platform. In 2016 Mr. Bezos said a golden globe win sells shoes. Prime Video is still seen as a "loss leader" type of product. It draws people in or keeps them subscribed to move more product. With the MGM acquisition and recent shows they most likely want to move away from only the loss leader type of thing.
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Doh! Yeah behind a paywall man - couldn't get anything of the article behind the first three sentences.
However, in other, slightly related, news. "Everyone else" just posted THIS about Netflix's success with the new show, "WEDNESDAY" -
https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/net...ar-1235447465/
(irony - this page is COVERED IN RoP Ads, ROFL)
https://screenrant.com/wednesday-sho...ours-streamed/
Knowing this show didn't cost 500, or even 200, hell probably not even 100 million to make - does that make this more, or less, of a success for Netflix than RoP with its "known announced numbers" for Amazon. =DTwelve days after its debut, The Hollywood Reporter reports that the Jenna Ortega-led Wednesday has beaten its own record, as for the week of November 28 - December 4, the series had 411.29 million hours viewed. This is the first time any English-language series has reached and passed 400 million hours viewed in a week. With 752.52 million cumulative hours streamed, Wednesday is ranked No. 3 in Netflix's all-time chart for English-language series, right behind Dahmer – Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story at No. 2 and Stranger Things season 4 at No. 1. It's highly likely that Wednesday will surpass the former soon and take the No. 2 spot.
Yeah, none of us can actually answer the above question with the given data! But watching you guys try to prove otherwise to each other is ....something.
So 750 MILLION HOURS, total for the show, in under TWO WEEKs.
Quoting this from the earlier post re: Amazon's statement--
Remains to be seen if Wednesday viewed hours will end up equaling Amazon's stated numbers for RoP - but it certainly seems on track to pass 1 billion hours viewed in its first month, anyway. Whether anyone checks in six months to try and figure that out, outside of each company's pencil pushers, who knows. =DThe first season of The Rings of Power has been an unprecedented success, viewed by more than 100 million people worldwide, with more than 24 billion minutes streamed.
Also, though I feel I shouldn't need to point this out, I will - each of these "record breaking" statements is among the company's OWN NUMBERS. Amazon's "record breaking" series, and Netflix's "record breaking" series aren't breaking each other's records. Netflix's statement of "Third biggest english language streamed show" is in reference to its OWN Market history and NOT comparing that to Amazon, Apple+, Disney+ etc. records. So both "record breakers" can be true, within their own companies.
You can all make assumptions from the above about their subscription rates, new subs due to shows, whatever, its all pure speculation because none of us has enough of this information to make ANY factual statements. Other than "Both of these networks see these shows as successes."
(Note: I did not give my opinion on whether *I* think RoP was a success or not for Amazon and I won't get drawn into that debate because none of us can answer that. We aren't Amazon accountants.)
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