[TV] The Mandalorian (*Spoilers*)

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Pretty sure Rian said he wasn't given a plan. And JJ fucked up the whole trilogy with his nostalgia and buffing shit fetishes.

Ya the plan as such I believe was for JJ to stay on for all 3 movies but he ditched leaving them with nothing which screwed every thing up.

Pretty much Kennedy and co likely were giving JJ freedom to make a cohesive story but then JJ got board and fucked off throwing that out the window only to come back at the end and trying to fan wank to the extreme.

[Triceron]

I mean if Ray is a Mary sue the Luke is 100% a Gary Stu

Techncially Rey isn't a Mary Sue either, but that being said, Rey is not Luke.

Her story was much more condensed without her going through the trials and tribulations that we saw Luke go through, and even her meaningful choices at the end were not on the level of exposing her character flaws as what we saw of Luke against the Emperor. Luke was completely laid low by the Emperor at the end. Rey overcame him completely. There's a massive difference in how these characters were portrayed.

Luke didn't overcome the Emperor with his superior Force powers and lay him low. Let's be clear.

[Darththeo]

They didn't kill the Emperor. Lorewise he now transferred to a clone as he was falling.

And you forget that Both the Emperor and Vader wanted Luke alive and to convert him to the DarkSide. He didn't win because he was op.




Pretty sure Rian said he wasn't given a plan. And JJ fucked up the whole trilogy with his nostalgia and buffing shit fetishes.

And Rey won because Palpatine is an idiot who doesn't stop shooting lightning when a lightsaber is reflecting it back at him.

[Orange Joe]

Techncially Rey isn't a Mary Sue either, but that being said, Rey is not Luke.

Her story was much more condensed without her going through the trials and tribulations that we saw Luke go through, and even her meaningful choices at the end were not on the level of exposing her character flaws as what we saw of Luke against the Emperor. Luke was completely laid low by the Emperor at the end. Rey overcame him completely. There's a massive difference in how these characters were portrayed.

Shhhhhhhhh

[Triceron]

Not gonna lie a starwars cruise sounds pretty bad ass.

Not till you realize it's USD$1200 for 2 nights with cringe-worthy entertainment and off-brand looking decor... The latest trailer they put out had people refunding their tickets.

[Darththeo]

Techncially Rey isn't a Mary Sue either, but that being said, Rey is not Luke.

Her story was much more condensed without her going through the trials and tribulations that we saw Luke go through, and even her meaningful choices at the end were not on the level of exposing her character flaws as what we saw of Luke against the Emperor. Luke was completely laid low by the Emperor at the end. Rey overcame him completely. There's a massive difference in how these characters were portrayed.

Luke didn't overcome the Emperor with his superior Force powers and lay him low. Let's be clear.

This. A Mary Sue is a very specific kind of poorly written character. Just being poorly written doesn't make someone a Mary Sue.

Mary Sue is thrown around way too often that it effectively is losing any meaning it had.

[Triceron]

They were so trapped they all came out alive and killed the emperor.... Yeah thats not a Gary Stu at all....

Yes. Winning at the end of the day at great costs does not make one a Gary Stu. Same reason why Iron Man isn't a Gary Stu.

A Mary Sue would be a character that came out of the situation saving everyone with no real costs at all.

[Darththeo]

Filoni, while working for Lucasfilm, will never give a wholly honest opinion about the sequels. We don't know what he really thinks of them. The same way that Kennedy would never admit that the sequels were a complete and utter failure on a storytelling level, under her tenure, but she'll keep mentioning them every once in a while to tell people that they still exist while plugging the latest shows that essentially have nothing to do with, or will never move past the sequel trilogy timeline, because the sequel trilogy is divisive, but not in a good way. Alienating people with a 40 year investment in the franchise wasn't a wise thing to do and they realise that now.

And if you knew anything about either of them, you'll know what you said was 100% false.

[Orange Joe]

Yes. Winning at the end of the day at great costs does not make one a Gary Stu. Same reason why Iron Man isn't a Gary Stu.

A Mary Sue would be a character that came out of the situation saving everyone with no real costs at all. Captain Marvel would be a nice example of that.

What cost to Luke?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Not till you realize it's USD$1200 for 2 nights with cringe-worthy entertainment and off-brand looking decor... The latest trailer they put out had people refunding their tickets.

It’s probably one of those things that sound better on paper, like i imagine the whole ship shaped like a stardestoryer little mouse droid roomba’s a hanger bay used for a theatre or something.

[Darththeo]

Yes. Winning at the end of the day at great costs does not make one a Gary Stu. Same reason why Iron Man isn't a Gary Stu.

A Mary Sue would be a character that came out of the situation saving everyone with no real costs at all. Captain Marvel would be a nice example of that.

No, a Mary Sue is a character that either breaks or bends the rules of the universe to be made special. A character isn't required to have a "real cost" to not be a Mary Sue. To use Star Wars as an example, it would be like if Anakin was found on a desert planet by the Jedi and all the Jedi decided he was so strong and gifted with the Force to make him a Jedi Master at age 10 despite Masters having decades of training typically.

A character winning a fight where they outclass their enemy (like Captain Marvel) isn't a Mary Sue. The people she fought in her movie were no where close to her power level. Don't get me wrong, Captain Marvel isn't a good movie nor is she a good character, but the fact she faced no real cost doesn't make her a Mary Sue.

Mary Sue has nothing to do with power or winning or not paying costs. They simply break or bend rules established in the universe, not rules fans made up. They also tend to be loved by all characters without a narrative reason.

[Triceron]

What cost to Luke?

The entire Rebel Alliance, which was getting decimated up until the Emperor's defeat.

And to himself, who would have died if his gambit had not paid off. If Vader didn't step in, Luke would have died. Period.

[Darththeo]

It’s probably one of those things that sound better on paper, like i imagine the whole ship shaped like a stardestoryer little mouse droid roomba’s a hanger bay used for a theatre or something.

What he is talking about is the Starcruiser, which I believe is a Hotel, not an actual cruise.
There is going to be a Star Wars cruise itself though, up to 7 nights.

[Ihavewaffles]

Rian Johnson's film right after TLJ was Oscar nominated. Knives Out is an amazing film and Looper was pretty good. He's a great film director and makes good movies.

No. Why should I?

He is persona non grata

I don't care what he makes after, doesn't change that he went full retard on tlj, and it is unforgiveable.

I won't even deign to torrent his movies

[Triceron]

No, a Mary Sue is a character that either breaks or bends the rules of the universe to be made special. A character isn't required to have a "real cost" to not be a Mary Sue. To use Star Wars as an example, it would be like if Anakin was found on a desert planet by the Jedi and all the Jedi decided he was so strong and gifted with the Force to make him a Jedi Master at age 10 despite Masters having decades of training typically.

A character winning a fight where they outclass their enemy (like Captain Marvel) isn't a Mary Sue. The people she fought in her movie were no where close to her power level. Don't get me wrong, Captain Marvel isn't a good movie nor is she a good character, but the fact she faced no real cost doesn't make her a Mary Sue.

Mary Sue has nothing to do with power or winning or not paying costs. They simply break or bend rules established in the universe, not rules fans made up. They also tend to be loved by all characters without a narrative reason.

I admit I was too quick to put Captain Marvel on there, without assessing that she really is on the same page as Rey; technically not Mary Sue but written poorly and rushed into giving off that impression.

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What he is talking about is the Starcruiser, which I believe is a Hotel, not an actual cruise.
There is going to be a Star Wars cruise itself though, up to 7 nights.

Ah, I thought it was a 2 night Cruise, didn't know it was just a fancy Hotel. My bad, the name was what I based it on.

[Darththeo]

No. Why should I?

He is persona non grata

I don't care what he makes after, doesn't change that he went full retard on tlj, and it is unforgiveable.

I won't even deign to torrent his movies

TLJ is bad because it wastes time that goes no where important to the story of the movie let alone the sequels.

Poe's mutiny? Pointless, Poe doesn't grow he is still as cocky as ever.
Casino World? All it does it gets a Finn vs Plasma fight that feels lack luster. This could have been so much better too (the cut version of the fight imo was superior, but didn't feel earned by the movie.)

But, the rest. Introducing the Force Dyad connection, fallen Luke, etc ... these are great concept that Rian should have focused on.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

What he is talking about is the Starcruiser, which I believe is a Hotel, not an actual cruise.
There is going to be a Star Wars cruise itself though, up to 7 nights.

is it like
Like a ship hotel on the water then? I know a few of those exist though I have no idea if any function as cruises as well or what.

Googling it i can’t tell if all the ship talk is about a actual ship or just starwars lingo.

[Darththeo]

I admit I was too quick to put Captain Marvel on there, without assessing that she really is on the same page as Rey; technically not Mary Sue but written poorly and rushed into giving off that impression.

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Ah, I thought it was a 2 night Cruise, didn't know it was just a fancy Hotel. My bad, the name was what I based it on.

No problem.

On both counts.

Yeah, the name is confusing, and also doesn't really interest me. Like I love Star Wars, but I don't go on vacation to stay in the Hotel. I rather get a hotel where I spend the night and go out to the fun. Part of the reason I don't do things like casinos resorts either. I am not going on a vacation to stay in a building.

And there will be a Star Wars cruise ship in the near future which also doesn't help with confusion.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Just Star Wars lingo. It’s a building on land designed to resemble a starcruiser. It’s like a LARP experience.

Ah well that’s a lot less cool then a actual space ship shaped boat but I’m sure there’s a market for novelty hotels.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It’s more than a novelty hotel, it’s an immersive experience with direct access to Galaxy’s Edge. You can basically RP as if you’re in the Star Wars universe for a couple days. Shit ain’t cheap though.

Ah ok the galaxy edge part makes it all click together,it’s like staying in the Disney resorts and then going to Disney land but all starwars all the time.