German far-right rock concert ends in violence

[Nerovar]

They're not, they're placed right between the SPD (centrist-left) and Die Linke, who are on the far left. They're pretty left, all things considered. But, being green, sometimes it's hard to place them. Their main issue is environment, not social. As such, they may break out from the left scheme once in a while. One more reason why I think the old left/right scheme is outdated.

Calling "die Linke" a far left party is pretty disingenous. That would be e.g. DKP. They are what the SPD used to be (which was center left). SPD as of now is a centrist party. After all the biggest dismantling of German welfare programs happened under the SPD and die Grünen/green party. It's not suprising though since they always were opportunistic turncoats.

[JohnBrown1917]

They're not, they're placed right between the SPD (centrist-left) and Die Linke, who are on the far left. They're pretty left, all things considered. But, being green, sometimes it's hard to place them. Their main issue is environment, not social. As such, they may break out from the left scheme once in a while. One more reason why I think the old left/right scheme is outdated.

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They where also the only European green party to vote for that recent EU copyright article, plus the criticism i've seen of other Germans of that Party... i'm really having some doubts here.


But I don't live in Germany, so who cares anyway.

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Hey, Germany gave the world Scorpions and Rammstein, as well as many others like Oomph!!, Megaherz, L'Ame Immortelle, Tanzwut and In Extremo. They know their shit when it comes to rock and metal.

So oplawlz was correct

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They're not, they're placed right between the SPD (centrist-left) and Die Linke, who are on the far left. They're pretty left, all things considered. But, being green, sometimes it's hard to place them. Their main issue is environment, not social. As such, they may break out from the left scheme once in a while. One more reason why I think the old left/right scheme is outdated.

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The refugee issue is bigger than ever because people like you propagate that it is bigger than ever. Factually, it's done and dusted. Has been so for 2 years now. We had an extra influx of a million people. That's it. It was a one time occurrance and they are being accomodated for. Do you think we have people standing in queues at the border for 2 years?

They're housed, they're being fed, they are in the system, registered and all and the police has them under control. Stop making a big deal out of it without having an actual reason to do so. No, some bullshit article in Bild is never a good reason.

And the country is not divided because of refugees, it's divided because of the AfD and people like you dividing it. Now, centrist parties having to work for their votes isn't a bad thing per se, so I'm not bothered. But the only division you're seeing is 80% of Germany being aghast that some imbeciles think it's okay to vote for Nazis again.

Only about 30% voted for the Nazis

At least Germanys political system has more checks and balances than in the 1930s

[Raptor With a Saber]

Wait. Are you seriously arguing that fascists don't kill people?

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What the hell are you basing this on?

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Generally, no. Most far-right people live in whites-only suburbs and gated communities. Most of them have never seen a refugee outside of TV.

What the hell are you baseing your shit on? Saying fascism is like ed gein. Ed was crazy and killed people because of an abused child hood. How is any of what you said like that? Using at the core, is a stupid thing unless you say what core youre basing it around.

At the core fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism. AT the core Ed was an abused child.

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Hey, Germany gave the world Scorpions and Rammstein, as well as many others like Oomph!!, Megaherz, L'Ame Immortelle, Tanzwut and In Extremo. They know their shit when it comes to rock and metal.

Blind Guardian you swine.

Sounds like a pleasant time had by all - as if circle pits weren't br00tal enough: just add teargas and pepper spray for an unforgettable time.

[Everwake]

Is there ever a far-right event that dosent end in violence.

They only end in violence when the far left shows up to confront them. Even Klan rallies are peaceful when everyone just ignores them. Giving them attention is what they want.

[Primemrip]

Depends what you mean by it.
Over as in most countries woke up and stopped accepting "refugees"? Yeah, it's over.
Over as in NGO boats stopped ferrying "refugees" from the coast of Lybia to Italian ports? Nope, still going strong.

It's also not over since we are yet to see the long term impacts of such a large influx on migrants that hold significantly different values.

[Slant]

Calling "die Linke" a far left party is pretty disingenous. That would be e.g. DKP. They are what the SPD used to be (which was center left). SPD as of now is a centrist party. After all the biggest dismantling of German welfare programs happened under the SPD and die Grünen/green party. It's not suprising though since they always were opportunistic turncoats.

Considering the type of unconstructive politics that Die Linke stands for, they are pretty much as far out as AfD is, only on the other side of the spectrum.

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They where also the only European green party to vote for that recent EU copyright article, plus the criticism i've seen of other Germans of that Party... i'm really having some doubts here.


But I don't live in Germany, so who cares anyway.

Well, they are primarily Greens. They do not care about left/right issues as much other a "leftist" party would. But when in doubt, they will tend towards the left rather than the right.

[Mafic]

Is there ever a far-right event that dosent end in violence.

Mormon double date bible studies.

[Everwake]

Hmm, well, not in this case. Unless a counter protest (and church service in protest) earlier the same day is enough to tip these righttards toward violently attacking the police. It never cesses to amaze me the extent the right will go to blame others for the actions of their own extremists.

I know, right? It's not like anyone on the left ever makes excuses for Antifa's violence.

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Considering the type of unconstructive politics that Die Linke stands for, they are pretty much as far out as AfD is, only on the other side of the spectrum.

Are you saying "what they stand for" as in what they are actually doing or the public opinion? Cause you can count the politicians of Die Linke who avocate for a utopian world without wars and danger on one hand whereas the vast majority of them are rooted in facts that are very much possible if the government actually tried, unlike the AfD where Xenophobia seems like a prerequisite to run as a politician.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Not that I want to give license to these douchbags' ideology, but that's pretty normal shit for a rock concert.

[Everwake]

No doubt there are such people but im not one of them. You on the other hand feel the need to defend the actions of right-wing extremists. If you can take a close look at yourself you maybe find out what drives some people to support groups such as antifa.

I don't defend anyone's violence. I offered a reason as to why violence sometimes breaks out at these rallies, which is two opposing factions facing each other. My suggestion was for people to ignore racists when they gather to shout their opinions.

[Fojos]

It's not like more refugees are incoming.

Do you even read the news? Of course research/prognoses would be better but I can't expect too much.

[Nerovar]

They are largely what remained off the SED after the wall came down. I'd call that pretty far left. Now I know that there are also some more moderate members, but so are there within the AfD...


They always were. The center just was a good bit further to the right a few decades ago. And I'd still call them center-left, since despite not being "socialisty" enough, they still focus a lot more on social issues than any other party in the sphere of relevant parties (despite Linke ofc). You just wouldn't become a majority party (well, they were for some time) with far-anything plans.

The program of "die Linke" has little in common with far left parties. They are a plain old left-wing party. It doesn't matter that the SPD "focuses" on these issues when they do the exact opposite. You can't care about the working class and simultaneously fuck them over by creating a new poverty line wage segment at the expense of poor people.

[Zython]

What the hell are you baseing your shit on? Saying fascism is like ed gein. Ed was crazy and killed people because of an abused child hood. How is any of what you said like that? Using at the core, is a stupid thing unless you say what core youre basing it around.

At the core fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism. AT the core Ed was an abused child.

You're right. They don't even have THAT excuse.

[smityx]

I bet there were good people on both sides.

[The Stormbringer]

Ugh, guys like that make me regret that I shave my head because I'm heavily balding.

I bet there were good people on both sides.

Ayyy lmao.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Ive been to more than a few rock concerts in my time and exactly none of them has turned into a violent anti-police riot.

Perhaps I missed it as I was skimming. Seemed like a few assholes threw some bottles and the police had to pepper spray some people. Hardly a riot. I’ll look again.

[Slant]

Are you saying "what they stand for" as in what they are actually doing or the public opinion? Cause you can count the politicians of Die Linke who avocate for a utopian world without wars and danger on one hand whereas the vast majority of them are rooted in facts that are very much possible if the government actually tried, unlike the AfD where Xenophobia seems like a prerequisite to run as a politician.

Well, they are turning towards more serious politics, but I remember times when Die Linke behaved not much unlike AfD is behaving now. In Parliament, I mean. And I remember Greens behaving childishly, too. One can only hope that AfD grows up really fucking quickly, because they are doing more damage than good right now, if you want to endorse an alternative to the CSU. If you like that kind of stuff.

It's a good sign that some of them clearly distance themselves from anti-semitism. The AfD even has a Council of Jews (it's not what you think, it's a self-formed democratic circle within the party). What's not so good is that current racism and the AfD seem to target Muslims instead of Jews, so that's not a sign that they're an tolerable mainstream of politics.

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The program of "die Linke" has little in common with far left parties. They are a plain old left-wing party. It doesn't matter that the SPD "focuses" on these issues when they do the exact opposite. You can't care about the working class and simultaneously fuck them over by creating a new poverty line wage segment at the expense of poor people.

Hear, hear! This man gets it. That's why the SPD is losing people, because they want to be more like the CDU. Schröder did more damage to the lower income households than CDU did. Also it doesn't help that their inbred corruption made them sacrifice so many ideals just to be the junior partner in a coalition with their natural opposition.

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Maybe the moderate right are getting tired of being lumped in with Nazis or something

Neonazis and AfD are not moderate right.