Lady Liadrin is a savage

[sillag]

And you need to play the first two warcraft games and note that the nightelves are nowhere to be found while the Legion and their orcish horde steamrolled a continent with the intent on delivering Azeroth to the Legion.

u know the high elves aren't in warcraft 1 right? they only actually showed up when they were directly threatened.

no one knows the story of warcraft 1 it's very sad.

[Techno-Druid]

Not that it particularly bothers me, but what exactly have the Thalassian elves in general done to individually save Azeroth? The kaldorei fought the War of the Ancients, they fought the Qiraji and Old God influence in the War of the Shifting Sands and they were vital to the defeat of the Burning Legion during the Third War.

[sarahtasher]

"She is a daughter of Quel'thalas, I have no right to deny her pilgrimage."




How long is eventually? She almost caused it to explode, dooming her people, and still maintained it wasn't her fault.




??? Void elves are/were the same race as the blood elves when they were exiled. The void isn't a race regardless and the void is what was forbidden.



he did so because she's...




First of all she was exiled because she nearly plunged her own people back into addiction-addled misery because she cares about embracing the void more than her people, not to mention more than her husband and son. Second of all, no control over her own fate? Multiple times the Locus-walker turned her away and she persisted of her own accord. She wants to embrace the void more than anything. She may as well be Cho'gall 2.0.




And 2/3 of those threats were their fault, they want a pat on the back for barely containing their own messes?

Well, considering that in BC, the Blood Elves flat out used the Sunwell to summon KilJaeden...

[Every Pwny]

And you need to play the first two warcraft games and note that the nightelves are nowhere to be found while the Legion and their orcish horde steamrolled a continent with the intent on delivering Azeroth to the Legion.

They weren't there in WC1, also the high elves hid in their city until the orcs attacked them. Liadrin just lies to Thalyssra about the night elves not fighting off the legion in WC3, and not helping out the high elves against the undead.

[sillag]

Not that it particularly bothers me, but what exactly have the Thalassian elves in general done to individually save Azeroth? The kaldorei fought the War of the Ancients, they fought the Qiraji and Old God influence in the War of the Shifting Sands and they were vital to the defeat of the Burning Legion during the Third War.

literally nothing. they helped the humans kill orcs when it looked like they might get fucked by orcs next. then they left the humans to deal with the undead plague that was unfolding 10 feet away because for some reason they figured they could hide behind their impenetrable sun shield and it would all be fine. yeah well it didn't work out great for them

later, kael'thas joined the burning legion with most of the blood elves' elite, and the remaining blood elves joined the horde which proved to become a more destructive force for azeroth than the burning legion was.

[Minikin]

someone post that bait gif from mad max!

[Skulltaker]

And you need to play the first two warcraft games and note that the nightelves are nowhere to be found while the Legion and their orcish horde steamrolled a continent with the intent on delivering Azeroth to the Legion.

You mean the games that predate the existance of Night Elves? Really clever.

[Ramz]

More like liar, I don't like nelves but she is objectively wrong. So my suggestion is for her to change her name to Liardrin.

[Deleted]

SOOOOOOOO she's blaming Tyrande 'cause she didn't trust their mad cousins that helped the legion invade azeroth for the third time, even after they LITERALLY isolated themselves in a dome to save themselves after what azshara did?

Yeak i know that Thalyssra is a rebel etc but wtf...

[Ramz]

Not that it particularly bothers me, but what exactly have the Thalassian elves in general done to individually save Azeroth? The kaldorei fought the War of the Ancients, they fought the Qiraji and Old God influence in the War of the Shifting Sands and they were vital to the defeat of the Burning Legion during the Third War.

They fought of forest trolls in order to take their lands breaking therefore agreement they created with them as highborne.
then they were defending themselves from horde they're now part off,
then they got facerolled by scourge
and then they summoner K'J in sunwell.

[Kallisto]

Lady Liadrin: The Sin'dorei are also scorned by Tyrande and her prideful lot. Yet for many ages her people slept in dens and hid in trees while my people fought to save this world.


Whoever wrote this need to play warcraft 3 night elf campaign. Also, Tyrande was very diplomatic when she was helping Kael'thas's blood elf.

Go redo the blood elf start zone, within 30 minutes you find out the night elves attacked and damaged a defense sanctum along with a dwarf who was supposedly there to bring the Blood elves into the Alliance again, said defence sanctums were one of 2 that were necessary to hold the scourge back. Then in Ghostlands had small invasion force going. All of this before the Blood Elves join the horde.

[Frontenac]

Time and time again Lady Liadrin shows why she's actually the biggest patriot in the Horde.

Thalyssra: "It would seem that 'Elune's wisdom' guided her (Tyrande) away from the bond we once shared. So be it."

Lady Liadrin: The Sin'dorei are also scorned by Tyrande and her prideful lot. Yet for many ages her people slept in dens and hid in trees while my people fought to save this world.

She burned the Night Elves more than Teldrassil did, because we all know it's true. Malfurion Stormrage, the strongest druid in the world did nothing but sleep for thousands of years. After the War of the Shifting Sands, the Night Elves as a race were sleeping and hiding for a thousand years. And while the world was burning, the Night Elves did nothing but sleep and hide in trees.

Rewatching that video did nothing but confirm for me personally that the Nightborne made the correct choice in joining the Horde.

Liadrin is simply lying or being dishonest. After the War of the Ancients, the Night Elves fought against the Burning Legion during the Satyrs War and saved the world from the Old Gods threat in the War of Shifting Sands. They also protected the World Tree and the Second Well of Eternity. During that time, the High Elves were quite happy, hiding behind their runestones. Then they fought in the Second War (only because they were directly threatened) and were quite happy to cower back in their magical land when it was over. It's simply dishonest to blame the Night Elves for not being there when there was no way for them to know about the Horde. In the Third War, the Night Elves were there. They even saved the world yet again and at great cost! Meanwhile, the High Elves were licking their wounds, because they were alone against the Scourge. That's what you get for leaving the Alliance and being an isolationist prick, Anasterian! After that, the Night Elves were there during the return of C'thun and the attack of Naxxramas. And the Blood Elves...? Their Prince was making friends in the Burning Legion!

No, in that scene, Thalyssra is oversensitive and Liadrin is a liar.

[Dellis0991]

Alliance reeeeing over the Nightborne will never stop being funny tbh

Nothing to reeeee about, if someone kept Tyrande in check the elves would have made some kind progress in mending. Letting her be all bitchy led to nothing but a widening of the gap and disconnection between all elvenkind.....she one silly hoe.

[Schattenlied]

Time and time again Lady Liadrin shows why she's actually the biggest patriot in the Horde.

Thalyssra: "It would seem that 'Elune's wisdom' guided her (Tyrande) away from the bond we once shared. So be it."

Lady Liadrin: The Sin'dorei are also scorned by Tyrande and her prideful lot. Yet for many ages her people slept in dens and hid in trees while my people fought to save this world.

She burned the Night Elves more than Teldrassil did, because we all know it's true. Malfurion Stormrage, the strongest druid in the world did nothing but sleep for thousands of years. After the War of the Shifting Sands, the Night Elves as a race were sleeping and hiding for a thousand years. And while the world was burning, the Night Elves did nothing but sleep and hide in trees.

Rewatching that video did nothing but confirm for me personally that the Nightborne made the correct choice in joining the Horde.

She's not savage, she just doesn't know world history... Like, at all... That statement is entirely false, she's also forgotten that her own people are the ones that put this world in danger of destruction multiple times.

And no, the correct choice for the Nightborne would have been to remain neutral, like Dalaran, now many of their people are dying for nothing other than satisfying Sylvanas' hunger for power.

[Kallisto]

SOOOOOOOO she's blaming Tyrande 'cause she didn't trust their mad cousins that helped the legion invade azeroth for the third time, even after they LITERALLY isolated themselves in a dome to save themselves after what azshara did?

Yeak i know that Thalyssra is a rebel etc but wtf...

You mean they isolated themselves because they were the focus of one of the biggest attacks the legion had in WOTA, right after Suramar literally saved Azeroth by stopping the legion opening a second portal in what would become known as the Tomb of Sargeras. For Suramar it was dome or destruction. They chose the sane option (Chronicles 1)

Tyrande didn't just mistrust her. She openly accused Thalysra of likely becoming the next Elf Hitler or Stalin, these aren't issues of "Muh Feels." this is diplomacy failure 101. When coming together to help against a common foe you don't openly insult someone who you are alligning youself with. Even Churchill who was known for insulting knew not to insult Stalin to his face.

She then basically calls them crack addicts (When mana to them is water to us, it wasn't an addiction it is necessary to survive).

She THEN basically states "It's good that Nightborne rebels die so night elves don't get harmed."

All the while Liadrin basically passed every test of a diplomat going forward. She talked up the nightborne, she had the horde stay and help with post war clean up, she also made sure to keep pointing out similarities between Blood Elves and Nightborne.

[Katie45]

The title should be Lady Liadrin is stupid and doesn't know her own history.

[Kithelle]

Alliance reeeeing over the Nightborne will never stop being funny tbh

Horde pretending like Nightborne are much more than they really are will never stop being funny.

Sorry...Horde elves are nothing but magic junkies except in their lies where they claim they're better when then really aren't.

[Zaganite]

The funny thing is Night Elves are the causes of the threats that you mentioned.



Nightborne held a rebellion, (Thalyssra included) to take back her city. She came back from starvation, and liberated her people.

Lady Liadrin watched her king die in front of her very eyes and saw Silvermoon sacked. She lost her faith in the light, trained to be a warrior to fight Scourge, then decided enough was enough and became the first blood knight.

Just last expansion, Malfurion got kidnapped by a shadow and got a dragon killed.

By enslaving a Naru? Oh yes because Liadrin is awesome. Malfurion defeated Ragnaros when he came back, saved Hyjal against deathwing, multiple wars as people have mentioned, helped save Azeroth after the Cataclysm. Where was Liadrin during all this?

Thalyssra couldnt have done anything with the Alliance/Horde champion, BE AND NE army. The Night Elves have shown before they can hold their own (before BfA where clearly they've been so dumb down they forgot how to do anything).

Malfurion is better then Liadrain hands down just accept facts and try find a different way your BE did anything. At least the NE gave up their font of power to save Azeroth, Nightborne and BE? kind of selfish and just kept theirs

[Kraddark]

You mean they isolated themselves because they were the focus of one of the biggest attacks the legion had in WOTA, right after Suramar literally saved Azeroth by stopping the legion opening a second portal in what would become known as the Tomb of Sargeras. For Suramar it was dome or destruction. They chose the sane option (Chronicles 1)

Tyrande didn't just mistrust her. She openly accused Thalysra of likely becoming the next Elf Hitler or Stalin, these aren't issues of "Muh Feels." this is diplomacy failure 101. When coming together to help against a common foe you don't openly insult someone who you are alligning youself with. Even Churchill who was known for insulting knew not to insult Stalin to his face.

She then basically calls them crack addicts (When mana to them is water to us, it wasn't an addiction it is necessary to survive).

She THEN basically states "It's good that Nightborne rebels die so night elves don't get harmed."

All the while Liadrin basically passed every test of a diplomat going forward. She talked up the nightborne, she had the horde stay and help with post war clean up, she also made sure to keep pointing out similarities between Blood Elves and Nightborne.

Yeah but the Nightborne now condone and directly support the actions of a genocidal psycho so in the end Tyrande was kinda right about the Nightborne and their complete lack of morals and ethics.

[sarahtasher]

Just worth mentioning here that Tyrande likely knew personally Elisandre and co (the game flat out states too Thalyssra was alive during the War of the Ancients) and have pretty good reasons not to distrust them : she saw them (not the Nightborn) being pawns of Azshara and saw them, 10 000 years later, fell straight back into WOW equivalent of crack, fel addiction.