Ellen DeGeneres Faces Backlash After Defending Kevin Hart During Interview

[Nurasu]

No, they can deal with it like normal people. They don't get an easy out of family problems.

Most "normal" people aren't living with repressed gender expressions.

[Mistame]

Meh. Twitter is cesspool of pretentious half-wits trying to look cool. Both Ellen and Hart should tell them to go fuck themselves.

[Nurasu]

I am pretty much the same way. Bill Maher, love him or hate him, says some pretty un-PC things... but I know where its coming from, and so it is not "offensive".

Can't say the same thing for Dennis Miller. Not that I would want to deplatform him, or really say anything... I just do not think he is all that funny...

When trying to gain legitimacy, it's a sound strategy to try to stop people from making you the butt of jokes.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

People ought to be able to voice their disapproval. I think for me, personally, when people are deplatformed is where I think it goes too far.

As for bigotry, that is a human trait that will not be going away ever. So growing a thicker psychological skin, on the part of a minority is probably a better solution than being overly sensitive to the stupid things some people say...

It's not at all he is owned that platform and nobody should have to host you. It's not overly sensitive you do owe anyone interaction, money, sales, or anything else. Action have consequences. I think is petty but at no point is Kevin or anyone owed anything.

[petej0]

The line on tone can be pretty tiny though, any two people can have a completely different interpretation of the exact same joke or statement.

Which is why context matters and if you still cant tell, you can either ask "Hey what do you mean by that?" to try to clear the air. Or you can ignore the person until you know more info about them.

So I generally will just accept it if I offended someone and not try to tell them, "well you shouldn't have been offended by this."

If we are talking about a situation where tow or more people are conversing you shouldnt make those types of jokes until you know your audience. Comedians are a bit different. Their job is to illicit laughs and how they do it can vary between them. For example, you dont go to a Kevin Hart comedy show and expect clean comedy. You dont go to a Jim Gaffigan comedy show and expect foul language. Dont bring your young teen to a Natasha Leggero comedy show and get offended at the language and subject matter.

[Nurasu]

Some things people do, of all races and "identities" are funny... "legitimacy" ought not come from your identity, but that you are a living being.

I suppose; but a majority can more comfortably have "thicker skin", while minorities are under real pressure to actually defend themselves.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

No, but it is why people get upset... there is something to be said about voicing your opinion... but another thing to stop others from voicing theirs. But this gets into money, viewership, profit, etc...

I'm pretty sure he still has a voice and other gigs he just lost one oppurtunity.. Once again no venue owes you anything stop advocating for socialism by putting guns to peoples heads to force interaction. If someone doesn't want to associate with you grow thicker skins and stop looking for handouts.

[Aristaos]

Which is why context matters and if you still cant tell, you can either ask "Hey what do you mean by that?" to try to clear the air. Or you can ignore the person until you know more info about them.



If we are talking about a situation where tow or more people are conversing you shouldnt make those types of jokes until you know your audience. Comedians are a bit different. Their job is to illicit laughs and how they do it can vary between them. For example, you dont go to a Kevin Hart comedy show and expect clean comedy. You dont go to a Jim Gaffigan comedy show and expect foul language. Dont bring your young teen to a Natasha Leggero comedy show and get offended at the language and subject matter.

Sure and I do ask people for clarification or why things are funny, it's actually pretty hilarious to see someone try to explain why something isn't racist/sexist when you dig deeper.

I agree, people shouldn't go out of their way just to get offended, but then people post dumb shit for the whole world to see and expect everyone to just go along with it.

Again, I really don't give a shit about what he said that long ago though.

[Eveningforest]

Annnnd @Keihndeth made himself look like an even bigger fool, lol.

You know I really hate the "stupid nurse" stereotype because there are plenty of extremely competent people in the field but this was something else. Not even worth replying to, imo. Complete waste of time.

[Nurasu]

It really depends... because law, "human rights" etc, exist, ultimately, at the whim of the majority. There is no "human rights" in nature... that is a construct of law, in a society. If the society falls apart because of the chaos in it, minorities will lose their rights... case in point:

Brazil’s new president removes LGBT concerns from human rights ministry
https://thehill.com/policy/internati...rns-from-human

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True... but then do not be surprised as people dig in, make their own platforms, and the country slowly divides...

I mean, that's kind of my point though. Why should they just grow thicker skin and lie down to derogatory jokes while their freedoms are actively being suppressed around the world, and in some cases they're being killed? I mean, sometimes the jokes are just completely insensitive and it's ok to apologize a couple times for making them. If he was actually sorry, he wouldn't mind; but he did mind. I wonder why?

[Themanintobuildafire]

Bill Burr should do it. And when he tells the truth of what shit is like, all the SJW will have a stroke, cause that's what Bill does - he tells it like it is.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

Because "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me"...


Ultimately we are a minority, and society ought to benefit the majority. It would be nice if everyone could benefit, but as people used to be taught, "life ain't fair". I would rather someone say "fag" and not be ostracized from society, then slowly sensitize everyone where everyone is offended at everything, and we regress back to tribe/identity. This is the consequence of human nature, that some people are just ignorant, assholes, selfish, etc... and no amount of pearl clutching is going to change that, so better to learn to live with it (so long as people are civil about their assholeness) then do what is happening now.

Where people are at each other's throats more or less, online, and by extension a growing minority offline as well...

He isn't ostracised and nobody has been. You can comeback to reality and stop the hyperbole.

[Nurasu]

Because "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me"...


Ultimately we are a minority, and society ought to benefit the majority. It would be nice if everyone could benefit, but as people used to be taught, "life ain't fair". I would rather someone say "fag" and not be ostracized from society, then slowly sensitize everyone where everyone is offended at everything, and we regress back to tribe/identity. This is the consequence of human nature, that some people are just ignorant, assholes, selfish, etc... and no amount of pearl clutching is going to change that, so better to learn to live with it (so long as people are civil about their assholeness) then do what is happening now.

Where people are at each other's throats more or less, online, and by extension a growing minority offline as well...

Humans aren't cattle though; we're deeply emotional beings. Words do hurt us, and narratives can kill us. Now to be clear, I think Kevin Hart can decide whether or not he cares a portion of that community is upset. It's just as easy to type sorry as it is to type whatever he did say. I just don't think it's surprising, or even part of a generational thing, or 'SJW' thing, that the target of said jokes is upset by said jokes as most people in here are saying. It's perfectly normal human psychology; if you want to say millenials are overly sensitive to jokes, I would say X'ers are overly sensitive to being called out.

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That is your perspective, I am sure he feels differently. Ostracised maybe hyperbole but it is not too far off... and if we continue on this path, as we are, it will be true sooner or later.

The Oscars organizers were falling all over themselves to still get him to host.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

That is your perspective, I am sure he feels differently. Ostracised maybe hyperbole but it is not too far off... and if we continue on this path, as we are, it will be true sooner or later.

So emotions thought you liked facts my guy. So more hyperbole?

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A good psychologist would say offense is taken, not given... which is why I said "thicker psychological skin". Words can hurt, if you let them. Or they can be dismissed, or laughed at.

We are emotional beings, but we are also part rational.

The issue is that we can go too far one way, or too far another. Not many would say that the society of 1950's (when it comes to gay, black, women, etc) rights is something we want to go back to... but neither do many want to live in a Demolition Man society where people get tickets for swearing.

There is a happy middle ground between two extremes... let people say their stupid jokes that some people may find offensive, while at the same time making lawful equality a cornerstone of society. They do not have to be mutually exclusive.

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I am not just talking about Kevin Hart.

More about what Jonathan Haidt is talking about:

Isnt he from a generation that bitched and got everything banned. Rule of the rose is a great example.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

Emotions are also why people find things offensive...

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Neither Maher, or Haidt were "for" those things and both were outspoken about the culture being too PC...

Nah it's more than that lol something can genuinely be offensive while keeping emotions out of it James gun is an example. What he said was just fucked up no emotion required. He was working for a family, teen, and kid friendly company and at the end of the day they're a business.

But to call this generation babies when games, books, movies, and other things were banned is hyperbole. Like people actually lost there voice in some countries back than but now people are made at a venue for expressing it's freedom of associate. It's pretty telling.

Like the rule of rose was banned because it was accused of promoting the things it was against but people are now made because freedom of associate was used which is the venues choice. I think it's petty but they don't have to give Kevin Hart a job based on his character by the law anyway and shouldn't have to at all.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

That is emotions... if something is not true, that should not hurt, and should not matter, so should be dismissed. If it is true and is "wrong" or "harmful", the person should not emotionally feel anything and just change... that would be the rational way of dealing with it with no emotions involved.




Generally I am not in favor of banning things... so I am not sure what you are talking about... Maher has also been about freedom of speech, drugs, etc, etc... the other guy is a Psychologist. He has not called for "banning" things... authoritarianism on either left or right, are not something I support...

It's not about emotions but character and if someone has a shitty one why should they be owed a job? There is business don't want to be associate with bad indivisual. Money made the choice period not emotion.

I'm saying it's hypercritcal to call this generation cry babies or the worst when the past were way worse. Ideas were actually banned but now someone loses an oppurtunity and people are comfortable enought to compare them really dishonestly.

[Oneirophobia]

You don't see that as an issue for gay children? I also don't think it's accurate, tbh.

Am I understanding this correctly? On one hand you're saying the disapproval of fathers is an issue for gay children and then in the literal next sentence you're saying the statement that "nearly every father thinks this way" isn't accurate.

[Oneirophobia]

Do you have any evidence to back it up. I ask, because one of my close friends said he knew he was gay in first grade.

That's still child-age, right?

Had a crush on a boy in grade 2 (same sex), one of my closest friends had a crush on a girl in kindergarten (also same sex). There's two more for your pile.

Virtually every straight friend I have had a fondness for a member of the opposite sex pretty darn early in life. I wouldn't say "sexual" is the term for it but a crush is a pretty good indicator of where you're headed.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

That is his opinion though, or a bad joke... character is not really relevant... and if it is, it only ius because of emotion. What should matter is his usefulness... but since his work is about causing emotion (comedy is meant to make you happy/laugh) his "usefulness" was reduced because now less people may watch him if he hosts the show.

So again, this is about emotions anyway you cut it.



There were religious reasons, sure, but political ideology it now just a new religion.

It's not at all character tells a lot about a person. You can avoid a lot of hardship by looking at a person character. It wasn't at all he can find other jobs. There is a reason companies vet people and look at past behaviour. A personaility test is judging someone character and is ok on job application can you fucking try please.

So basically deflecting. To call this generation the most sentitive when the ones in the past were way worse is disingenuous as fuck.

[Appelgren]

Yes, because the right does nothing but debate from logical points of view while denying mountains of evidence from scientist.

Interesting how you assume im a rightard just because I dislike leftards.

News flash: One can dislike both sides if they are extremely retarded.

Im in the middle and i have both left and right views of life. Its possible mate