the point is people will put then in the same bandwagon and will blame then for everything that happen in wod
for other orcs "fault" the orcs of the horde get their narrative destroyed, pushed away by their factions, tagged as racists warmongers ( even rapists by some lmao) and lot more, the stigma is already there and becoming worse.
Yes but again. Everyone is talking about the Horde RETURNING to raping. Those are the original examples of Horde rape (Though Garona is arguably squarely on Gul'dan). In order for them to specifically "return" to raping, they would have had to have started raping again SINCE those events. Have they?
Now, if the argument was simply that the members of that original Horde (so Orcs or Orcs, Forest Trolls, Goblins, and Ogres) were never made to pay for those crimes that's another matter entirely. My confusion is specifically with the use of the word "return" and it's definition versus how it's being used.
The Orcs and members of the Horde are returning to their old roots my friend which is what the old horde used to do.
Given what we know the old horde did we can extrapolate to what the new horde is doing.
Blizzard is limited to what they can show on the screen but they can leave clues unless they use a book to explicitly mention it or deny it.
During Tyrande's ascension questline you had this area where numerous Night Elf men and women were tied up.
Meanwhile Horde soldiers with the title of slaver were throwing spears at these helpless victims.
The Forsaken soldiers did not really care, they just wanted to blight everyone. But the Orcs and Trolls? Now that was an interesting scene.
So yeah. I completely believe the Horde is back to what they were doing before.
Blizzard is deliberatingly showing this is not just a Forsaken issue but a Horde issue.
I think it is pretty clear the Horde is back to raping people.
You may be thinking I am reading way too much into this but they are having sport with war prisoners. Why wouldnt they rape? They have done it before.
They clearly have no problem killing non-soldiers and playing with their prisoners.
I think rape is the least of a Horde prisoner worries.
Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.
That's why I had asked if I had any particularly messed up quest chains coming up that suggested the Horde was returning to those actions initially; since nothing of the sort had taken place since the first Horde through now, it was confusing due to the sheer volume of people saying as much.
Judging by this and the example Makabreska just gave, looks like the answer to my initial question is: Yes.
Although in your particular example, it is a touch ironic that the Forsaken appear somehow less brutal than the others. (Killing everyone versus torturing/raping and THEN killing everyone). To me anyway.
EDIT: Oh and no, I don't think you're reading too much into that particular example. The title of "Slaver" carries implications with it with rape being pretty high on that list. Any number of titles could have been used in its place if they didn't want people to think rape was taking place.
Agreed. I think Blizzard is trying to tell a deep story that would be absolutely possible if this was a single player game (RPG or RTS) but they cant especially with the socially woke people. Can you imagine an explicit quest that asks the Horde player to find and capture/kill hiding civilians or stop fleeing boats?
Thats pretty hardcore.
There is a lot of details players could miss with environmental storytelling. Thankfully there are some artists out there that make these scenes more iconic and explicit in their representation. Its hard to find any sympathy for the Horde has faction when you view things like that.
First off: Holy crap where are you finding these images they are exceptional. I particularly like the last one with the adult and child. For some reason it feels like a call or echo of the mother and child from Sylvanas' warbringers clip. The blood elf at the fore in the first image is a great touch, just all around great looking pieces.
Secondly: Hahaha! No need to imagine, during the War of Thorns chain on Horde side, while we're not explicitly told to murder hiding civilians, we certainly had the option to do it at Astrannar, and we all recall the discussions surrounding that event.
It would be something interesting to see WoWs story told through a single player lens though, I get the feeling that the general impression of the storytelling would be much better than most perceive it is now.
Blood Elves were based on a STRONG request from a poll of Asian players where many remarked on the Horde side that they and their girlfriends wanted a non-creepy femme race to play (Source)
The development of more non-villainous Horde-related factions, obviously. Imagine if there was a nominally neutral but predominately Forsaken faction who everyone would quest for.
When it comes down to it, WoD was a laughingstock. They literally cut out the bulk of the Orcish story because they felt they had overdone Orcs, which of course was just one further disaster for their Orc expansion. And the whole thing? You slaughter those Orcish heroes, those "Warlords" they wanted to build up as cool characters, and absolutely no one is going to remember or care about them. They were fucking lame.
What Night Elf fan would enjoy an expansion where you go back in time to murder all the Night Elves?
The orcs got rid of green jesus, that has to count for something right?
We liked Green Jesus before he was Green Jesus. We don't want to get rid of him so much as we want him to grow his fucking hair back, throw out the potato sack he's been wearing, and stop being an irresponsible PoS. No fucking "Go'el" nonsense.
You want to know the funny thing about "Go'el"? Thrall kept "Thrall" as his name as a reminder of his responsibilities and duty. "Go'el" is ironically perfectly fitting for him as a character in his current stages.
Let's find unity in the high ideals of worthless evil foddery.
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I mean, the Draenei literally dragged their own shitty issues all the way to Draenor and got everyone who lived there involved in their own bullshit. And while the Orcs couldn't know better, the Draenei were the supposedly "advanced" race and yet they proved to be just as obtuse as, well, the entire 90% of their race who fucking threw their lot to Sargeras.
The Alliance did not plunder or destroy Ogrimmar which is the definition of sacking a city. They liberated it from an occupying force and then turned it over to the rest of the Horde. The fact that it was turned over with zero concessions by the Horde is nonsensical drivel to maintain the status quo. The fact that nothing in game after the cinematic reflects the Alliancd being "the superpower of the world" makes that standing meaningless. Every step of the way the Horde goes toe to toe with "the superpower" and inflicts heavier loses then they ever experiance.
Fuck the Horde fanboy writers, my six year old son could write better stories than them