Idc, as long as they still don't expect the same on White day it's fine. Spend money on who you want to, but don't expect 'repayment' for a gift.
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Another example why some traditions and parts of culture should be changed/removed.
It is a cute tradition, but the cuteness ends the moment it becomes pretty much forced. I think most here know that you do not want to be the nail sticking out in Japan.
We only have voluntary stuff that's actually voluntary. Things like after work drinks and other socializing, not buying shit to co-workers. I'm glad the Japanese are opposing the tradition.
An off-note, Valentine's is held literally as "friends' day" in Finland, meaning any romantic tones you'd see are pretty much pushed only by some stores. It's not a day you'd do anything out of the ordinary because of it.
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Now you see it. Now you don't.
But was where Dalaran?
Because it's women objecting.
If next month we had an article about Japanese men wanting to abolish White Day, you wouldn't have seen the same aggressions in any shape or form.
Quoted for nuance.
Seems to me that the abolishing of this "holiday must" would also solve the problem with White Day.
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I remember our school days where the popular girls and boys got cards on Alla Hjärtans Dag (All Heart's Day) and the ones without any were made fun of. I shudder to think what it might be like now that American traditions have grown even more and social media exists.
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Well that is obviously just fiction. I'm sure that wouldn't reflect it 100% accurate, but even past that I never heard about it that much in the "explanatory sources", not even from business contacts. I'm curious if every women treated it like that previously or if this was more a thing that you'd see from "airhead office fairy" type that constantly smiles at everybody and constantly tries to socialize at work. Even with all the stereotypes of japanese people, I can't see many self-respecting people waste much effort on this, unless you really want or need to suck up to your superiors.
I hope you realize that men can be secretaries as well.
I'm gonna just ignore the part where you don't even realize that name was changed to Administrative Professionals' Day.
And not to mention, no one is required to buy gifts for coworkers, it's optional. You do it because you want to express your appreciation for someone. If women in Japan find it burdensome and/or inappropriate they shouldn't have to buy their male coworkers chocolate just because they were born male.
It's not that easy. Societies have norms and expectations. You don't HAVE to say hello or thank you or whatever to people either, but you do it because it's a custom and an expectation, and because not doing so would change the way people look at you. There's a myriad of tiny social conventions we do almost unconsciously, and different societies have different degrees of pressure attached to them.
Of course nobody is FORCING these women to buy chocolate for their male coworkers. But it's become a social custom and an expectation, and it can be quite hard to just beyond that.
Try refusing to chip in for the next office party, for example, or something along those lines. Nobody is FORCING you to pay up, but people will definitely look at you differently if you choose not to. And there may be many reactions attached to that you don't want to experience, so you just suck it up and pay. Because that's what's expected of you.
Well for one actual secretaries are fairly rare these days. And while it is true that men can be as well, the few people I've known so far that actually employ bona fide secretaries always had women because they were men in their 60 and above. In modern company structures I rarely see them anymore though, usually the job gets done by young people of both genders and they just go by something-something assistants. Not to mention that alot of classical stuff these days is outsourced in the first place, where our previous CEO would have his secretary write his speeches, now some marketing company does it . Well maybe that is just my impression from working in a more industrial setting.
If I don't get my giri choco my self esteem will take a nose dive and I will feel bad about myself.
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So by your logic, every man secretary is really a woman secretary. Sorry, I can't help stupid.
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And these women are trying to change the norm. Good for them, it's stupid and they realize it.
I think you are trying to explain to me as if I don't understand, sorry, I'm not your average forum idiot. Hopefully someone else who doesn't understand reads and it helps them.
As for paying for an office party, you can definitely say no and not go to it. If you are worried about what others think you should reconsider what you value more.
Cant be given candy to everyone. Gets rid of the whole point.
Especially seeing they need them kids