Bernie Sanders back again

[Realitytrembles]

It's in the best interest of Democratic Socialists to realize that political change in the U.S. requires more than slogans and cheap rhetoric to get their way. Put time and effort into changing the makeup of the House and Senate. AOC is a good start, so build on it.

What the left doesn't need is a load of empty neo-Bolshevist, "guillotine the rich" rhetoric because change doesn't happen instantly. You quote the founders a lot, but seemed to skip over the Federalist Papers that explain why our political system is built the way it is. If people actually took the time to learn how our system works, they'd organize properly and get shit done, rather than waste everyone's time by focusing only on Presidential elections.

The emphasis I added is where I agree with you. AOC is great, and state elections need more attention.

[Muzjhath]

I get your point. Even if Bernie will have an uphill climb to get his wishlist done, his election would
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure,” Jefferson wrote in a letter to William S. Smith, a diplomatic official in London, on

Jefferson regretted that statement and took it back after witnessing the French Revolution

[downnola]

Jefferson regretted that statement and took it back after witnessing the French Revolution

I think everyone took a step back and said "yikes" after the French Revolution.

[JohnBrown1917]

Democratic socialism, not Bolshevism. It's really in the best interests of the establishment to cooperate with significant reforms. How about a quote from another great American?

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." --- John F. Kennedy

Bernie is a social democrat.

[TotallyGenericName]

Again, it does not matter if the attacks are warranted.

She was more qualified and experienced than her opponent in 2016.
The accusations against her in 2016 were not warranted.
She still lost.

To Donald Trump. America's Hemorrhoid (because he's not useful enough for me to call him America's Asshole).

Try finding a candidate people actually like. Clinton lost, by not being a convincing enough alternative to Orange Chunk to get voters to come out and oppose him. If I were American, I'd have voted for her, but this isn't a hypothetical; she ran, and lost, to the easiest possible opponent she could have faced. Why would you run her again?

Yep. So much this.

All they had to do was pick one human being eligible for President that the world hated less than Donald Trump. I don't feel like that was a tough task.

I think the Democratic party threw the election more than Republicans won it.

[Realitytrembles]

I think the Democratic party threw the election more than Republicans won it.

No question about that at all. Hillary Clinton was the worst possible choice against Trump.

Her big mistake was not asking Bernie to be her VP after winning the nomination. She could have done get-out-the-vote and fundraising in Democratic strongholds, and sent Bernie barnstorming through the Midwest and Rust Belt with his pro-labor message. If she had, she would now be PotUS.

[Realitytrembles]

Very good speech.




It appears Steve Bannon was right about at least one thing: populism is here to stay, whether it's of the left or right variety.

[breadisfunny]

I like Donald Trump because he is making us a LOT of money right now. So I want him to win again.

In terms of qualifications, I think Hillary or Joe Biden would fit more. Bernie is someone I consider very dangerous because of his social views. He says College should be free. I say no. People need to work hard to get into college. Otherwise college is fucking meaningless.

i hope your joking.

i think you want hillary to be nominated again just so trump can win again.

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Very good speech.




It appears Steve Bannon was right about at least one thing: populism is here to stay, whether it's of the left or right variety.

well he's got my vote.

[Forogil]

Everyone is just going to have to accept that America screwed up the label for Social Democrat with Democratic Socialism.

We have a habit of doing things like that.

The screw-up is worse - it's mostly some people like Bernie and others that don't understand that there is a difference, and seem to be proud of their ignorance; as if actually looking at what works in other countries (even to the minimal extent of figuring out what it is called) would be somewhat unpatriotic.

E.g. Democratic Socialist of America, DSA, are actually socialist - not social democrats; and at least two members of congress are members in that organization.

However, Bernie isn't member of DSA - and it's even unclear if DSA will endorse him.

[JohnBrown1917]

I like Donald Trump because he is making us a LOT of money right now. So I want him to win again.

In terms of qualifications, I think Hillary or Joe Biden would fit more. Bernie is someone I consider very dangerous because of his social views. He says College should be free. I say no. People need to work hard to get into college. Otherwise college is fucking meaningless.

Education is not meaningless.

[Sunseeker]

It appears Steve Bannon was right about at least one thing: populism is here to stay, whether it's of the left or right variety.

Like much in politics, populism isn't inherently bad, it's how you use it.

I also think it's sort of odd to worry over the appearance/resurgence of populism, since it's basically a build-in-feature of democracy, it never "went away".

[Skroe]

Why is this thread not showing up in /politics. It's like it's hidden. I can only access it via a direct link, or because it's the most recent updated posted in /politics.

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I like Donald Trump because he is making us a LOT of money right now. So I want him to win again.

In terms of qualifications, I think Hillary or Joe Biden would fit more. Bernie is someone I consider very dangerous because of his social views. He says College should be free. I say no. People need to work hard to get into college. Otherwise college is fucking meaningless.

The US debt has exploded to $22 trillion. We're back to annual trillion-dollar deficits, in the an era of economic expansion just below 3%.

God help us when we enter a recession and the government needs to engage in stimulus again. We'll be looking at $2 trillion annual deficits before long.


How exactly is he making us, "a LOT of money right now". Be specific.

The rest of your post about college is nonsense.

[Adam Jensen]

In terms of qualifications, I think Hillary or Joe Biden would fit more. Bernie is someone I consider very dangerous because of his social views. He says College should be free. I say no. People need to work hard to get into college. Otherwise college is fucking meaningless.

Why should people have to work hard to get into college? Why can't grades be enough?

Education is an equalizer. If you put a cost on it, you're keeping the poor down and propping the rich up. If college education is supposed to be exclusive, then it shouldn't be pushed on high schoolers, nor should it be required by stupid entry level jobs. But college should not be exclusive, it should not be expensive, and it should be available to everyone so everyone can get a chance at decent employment.

This whole thing is ridiculous anyways. Conservatives like to bitch about the minimum wage jobs, telling us "oh they should get a better job" and then claim college should remain exclusive and expensive, thus keeping those better jobs out of reach. It's unhelpful.

[Benggaul]

Why is this thread not showing up in /politics. It's like it's hidden. I can only access it via a direct link, or because it's the most recent updated posted in /politics.

I believe if you have the OP ignored in a thread the thread itself becomes "invisible" to you. I don't know if you have this particular OP ignored, just stating it as a possibility.

[Wyrt]

I like Donald Trump because he is making us a LOT of money right now. So I want him to win again.

In terms of qualifications, I think Hillary or Joe Biden would fit more. Bernie is someone I consider very dangerous because of his social views. He says College should be free. I say no. People need to work hard to get into college. Otherwise college is fucking meaningless.

Um, the US debt has increased significantly under Trump. And the 2018 stock market lost all of its gains.

And I don't see how making college free takes the hard work out of it. People would still need the grades and SAT scores to get in.

[JohnBrown1917]

i hope your joking.

i think you want hillary to be nominated again just so trump can win again.

As long as his country gets richer of it, I doubt he cares about how much the rest of the world will suffer from it.

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Highschool is the gateway to college. If you suck at all majors, you suck at college.

All i’m saying is that give people who work hard a chance. Sure give them a scholarship. What bernie says is that he wants everyone to have a free pass into college. This is where I disagree.

Nothing is stoping a college from having a standard that students need to meet to be admitted, this can even be enshrined in the system.

[Adam Jensen]

As long as his country gets richer of it, I doubt he cares about how much the rest of the world will suffer from it.

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Nothing is stoping a college from having a standard that students need to meet to be admitted, this can even be enshrined in the system.

I'm just saying that standard shouldn't be money.

Or at least, a lot of it.

[Felya]

Colleges in the US today are shit because they made it easier to get into college. now if you got a pencil you can get in college. All because of government support. Let colleges be colleges for people who actually deserve to be there.

By what metrics is college in US shit? The issue is that people cannot get in, due to cost. No one made it easier to get into college, community college is as easy as it ever was... while good luck getting into NYU.

Colleges have to lower their standards to attract more "dumb" students. and government supporting these students will make it worse.

What are you talking about? Community college always accepted applications, regardless of grades. While private schools, are as hard to get into as always... since space is limited and everyone wants to go to the best school.

Edit: You do know that if you don’t care what college, the only inhibitors are cost... not grades? Grades mater if you want to get into the best schools... government has nothing to do with the concept of supply and demand.

[JohnBrown1917]

Colleges in the US today are shit because they made it easier to get into college. now if you got a pencil you can get in college. All because of government support. Let colleges be colleges for people who actually deserve to be there.

Colleges have to lower their standards to attract more "dumb" students. and government supporting these students will make it worse.

And yet nothing about that has anything to do with taking on a huge debt or even having the money to go in the first place.

[Adam Jensen]

Colleges in the US today are shit because they made it easier to get into college. now if you got a pencil you can get in college. All because of government support. Let colleges be colleges for people who actually deserve to be there.

Colleges have to lower their standards to attract more "dumb" students. and government supporting these students will make it worse.

Making it expensive does nothing to make sure the students who get in aren't dumb. For example, Donald Trump went to college and he's got a single digit IQ.