Warbringers Jaina: trying to rewrite events of the past

[Trassk]

I know its been out for a while now, and been talked about, but I found myself watching the animated short (if you can call it animation).



I get what this was meant to be implying here, that the kul tiran saw the death of daelin proudmoore and his fleet on kailimdor as a betrayal by Jaina, hence the song.

However, as a long time fan of series, who did play warcraft 3, something maybe a lot of current players might not have even done, this to be feels like the current writing team of blizzard are trying to gloss over events of the past and change characters outlook by outright forgoing those past events.

This animation showcases the idea that Daelin was a hero fighting and killing orcs who were all brutal savages, according to the song, and jaina was a traitor for not fighting beside him.

What ACTUALLY happened, was Daelin, the captain ahad of warcraft, cased the orcs who left the eastern kingdoms, trying to start a new life on kalimdor, and the dear admiral couldn't just let that be. The orcs weren't some red eyed demonic army, infact back then Jaina saw them as people instead of monsters, hence why she didn't stand with her father.

Yet this cinematic tries to make that out as if Jaina forgot all about it, like 'Oh, I was wrong, the orcs really were the bad guys, I should have stood with my one track minded father!"

This is what I hate about this kind of writing, its more character regression then progression.

[Arrashi]

They just wanted to show jaina as super victim to ensure us that she indeed did nothing wrong, and everything bad in her life is someone else fault.

[TheImperios]

Morality is subjective. Kul Tirans may have felt justified in invading Durotar, because they felt they needed to enact vengeance, or because they feared another orc attack on the world. As for Jaina, she became a Horde hater since Pandas: if anything, she's not radical enough in BfA.

[ravenmoon]

Perspective hun.

In wc3, we never really saw the events from the point of view of the Kul'Tiran s.

Now you are seeing it. Whiles a lot of recasting happens in wow, the vast majority is merely telling the other sides perspective, a view that wasn't shared.

This happens a lot, and itndoesnt invalidate the original story either or the first view presented, it usually fleshed out what actually happened.

Sorry if you accepted one version as truth, you may be right, but you may feel differently once you see the perspective of the other side

[rhorle]

Yet this cinematic tries to make that out as if Jaina forgot all about it, like 'Oh, I was wrong, the orcs really were the bad guys, I should have stood with my one track minded father!"

No. It makes you think about the struggles a character faces when they are faced with going against their people and family or doing what they feel is right. It doesn't matter what you the player thinks about what actually happened. Jania betrayed her family and people and she suffered because of that. It doesn't matter if she probably did the right thing (if you look at all the trouble the orcs and horde have done the "right" thing is debatable even now).

Obviously she wasn't seen a a traitor through the entire world. As she was accepted elsewhere. You don't seem to understand what different cultures, beliefs, and things are.

[Jaggler]

You are analysing this song from an outside perspective.

It's a song by the Kul TIrans about how they lost their leader, who was obviously very beloved. It's how they see the events that transpired. It's how Jaina thinks about what she has done now that she's going back to Kul Tiras, not the writer telling you, how to feel.

[Kythera]

They just wanted to show jaina as super victim to ensure us that she indeed did nothing wrong, and everything bad in her life is someone else fault.

How's life in the AU these days? To borrow a line, the funniest thing about your post is the disconnection with reality. You're pretty funny from time to time, but humor is best conceived with at least a grain of truth.

The point of the video isn't that she did nothing wrong; it's the opposite. It shows Jaina struggling with her guilt at her own actions which led to the disapproval of her people and (from her current perspective) the rise of a genocidal Horde formerly led by orcs. Jaina feels guilt not just because of the loss of her father, but also because she now believes she was wrong in failing to listen to his counsel.

Whether you believe she was wrong to side against Daelin, deserves redemption, or that her actions are truly in the best interests of her people or the Alliance, that's a whole other discussion totally worth having.

PS ensure=/=assure. <3

[huth]

I get the distinct feeling the OP has not played through the Kul Tiran storyline.

[Nebron]

I think you miss the point here.

The whole idea is to show Jaina as a character who get through a lot of shit, and so her perspective changes dramatically.

She always believed orcs were more like humans, yet the attrocities she survived made here believe that her father could have been right.

It's more about making a character being driven by the need for revenge, therefore blind to reality.

[Arrashi]

How's life in the AU these days? To borrow a line, the funniest thing about your post is the disconnection with reality. You're pretty funny from time to time, but humor is best conceived with at least a grain of truth.

The point of the video isn't that she did nothing wrong; it's the opposite. It shows Jaina struggling with her guilt at her own actions which led to the disapproval of her people and (from her current perspective) the rise of a genocidal Horde formerly led by orcs. Jaina feels guilt not just because of the loss of her father, but also because she now believes she was wrong in failing to listen to his counsel.

Whether you believe she was wrong to side against Daelin, deserves redemption, or that her actions are truly in the best interests of her people or the Alliance, that's a whole other discussion totally worth having.

PS ensure=/=assure. <3

Nah, she was good girl who was misguided by bad orcs who exploited her good will. But also her father deserved that, so its double ok.

[The Stormbringer]

It's not showing the Orcs like that at all, it's showing things from the perspective of the Kul Tirans. In their eyes, the Orcs were all brutal savages with fire in their eyes, and Daelin was the brave Admiral who tried to save his daughter and was betrayed.

In reality, Daelin was an old racist who dove headfirst into attacking an "enemy" who had shown no provocation and done nothing to him or his people, then when his own daughter told him that they weren't a threat, he disregarded what she had to say in order to cling to old hatreds.

His death was his own fault, as were the deaths of his men.

[Newname1234567890]

It's literally either Jaina veiw on the war with her current outlook or a ghost of slain Kul Tiran Sailors. Not a objective account.

[Arrashi]

It's not showing the Orcs like that at all, it's showing things from the perspective of the Kul Tirans. In their eyes, the Orcs were all brutal savages with fire in their eyes, and Daelin was the brave Admiral who tried to save his daughter and was betrayed.

To be fair, judging by her comic, she also decided to see them like this during those events. Thrall with rape face is hilarious.

[Trassk]

I get the distinct feeling the OP has not played through the Kul Tiran storyline.

I'm exalted with proudmoore admiralty and unlocking dark irons, so wrong their bucko.

[Chemii]

How you gonna tell the shape of a building from one direction.

[Sorrowseer]

Don't forget that Saurfang reminices his time sacking Alliance cities and killing civilians with joy, its right there in the game, he even mentions killing some who fled into an alley. So yeah, they are monsters.

[Varodoc]

What ACTUALLY happened, was Daelin, the captain ahad of warcraft, cased the orcs who left the eastern kingdoms, trying to start a new life on kalimdor, and the dear admiral couldn't just let that be.

You glossed over the orcs instigating a massive rebellion that ravaged southern Lordaeron, breaking the Alliance internment act, freeing an infamous war criminal, raiding an Alliance town, and taking over Alliance ships through brute force.

This is what I hate about this kind of writing, its more character regression then progression.

It is character progression. Don't give me the BS that just because Thrall and the new generations are better, the orcs are to be trusted. The majority of orcs fucking celebrated and feasted when Garrosh brought news that Theramore was literally erased from existence.

[VladlTutushkin]

Well, in hindsight... Was Daelin wrong? Jaina helped Horde to kill him and a lot of good men with him because she believed that scarifices should be made for peace. She got turned into a boogeyman for her own beloved country and her own mother hated her for some time, she even forgave her mostly from desperation since she thought that Jaina was only remaining living Proudmoore aside from her. So... She basically sacrificed SO much for that mythical "peace" and what do we have now? Teldrassil burns, Theramore in ruins, countless smaller settlements ravaged or ruined, Kalimdor completely taken over by the Horde, Night elfs facing extinction, Alliance on its last legs, recruting farmers because they ran out of troops. Technically Daelin was right - Horde would and DID eventually went back to "HAR HAR TAKE OVER DA WORLD!" style and most of those conquests were "justified" by lack of one or another resource (be that real or simply a flimsy excuse). So he was right, even from most pragmatic, practical standpoint - Horde will eventually turn on all other Azeroth races, Alliance will be first. Why? Either innate evil or resources.

[The Stormbringer]

To be fair, judging by her comic, she also decided to see them like this during those events. Thrall with rape face is hilarious.

Grief and anger can and will warp our memories and perceptions. Jaina has never been particularly stable, and the people she relies on always wind up dying or doing something horrible. I'm not surprised that she sees Thrall that way now, despite reality saying otherwise. She cray-cray.

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You glossed over the orcs instigating a massive rebellion that ravaged southern Lordaeron, breaking the Alliance internment act, freeing an infamous war criminal, raiding an Alliance town, and taking over Alliance ships through brute force.

It is character progression. Don't give me the BS that just because Thrall and the new generations are better, the orcs are to be trusted. The majority of orcs fucking celebrated and feasted when Garrosh brought news that Theramore was literally erased from existence.

Ah, their bad. Clearly they should've just stayed there in the internment camps forever and asked nicely for the Alliance to let them leave while everyone was turning into Undead and Demons were invading. (Because, y'know, that was the reason why they did a lot of it in the first place.)

[Varodoc]

Ah, their bad. Clearly they should've just stayed there in the internment camps forever and asked nicely for the Alliance to let them leave while everyone was turning into Undead and Demons were invading.

Ah, Daelin's bad. Clearly he should have just let the orcs' invasion of Lordaeron, extermination of an Alliance garrison, and hijacking of Alliance ships, go unpunished.