DOJ Asking Courts to Strike down ACA, Protections for Preexisting Conditions, etc

[Zan15]

Yes, they are socialistic endeavors. I would LOVE to have the ability to opt out of programs, I'm a huge fan of voluntary governance.

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God could I only imagine the mess. You might as well kiss the military goodbye then. no way war loving republicans are going to fund that pile of shit by themselves


Oh and education would crumble because people would stop paying once their kids were out of high school. Of course property taxes could just be offset and have to be frontloaded the second your kid enters school you would basically owe about 30k a year in property taxes for about 12 years, per kid.

Can't really take you serious if you think this is a good idea at all.

Good you opt out of healthcare and I opt out of Military and corporate subsidies. Wana bet by the time we end up opting out and in we pay the same amount of taxes we do today? You realize you will now have to pay for the portion of the military I won't be covering, and I will have to pay for the part of healthcare you are not covering. Basically a wash in the end.
You just made it 10x more difficult and expensive to collect and figure out taxes.

The issue is that we have talking points and buzzwords, but no real plans. We had Bernie's plan, but the math in it was sooooo wrong, that it was dead before it began. The issue is that the amount saved (or not saved) is speculative, because it's nationalizing a major industry. There's going to be so much haggling and pushback, that they will try to draw it out for decades.

What exactly are they nationalizing, the insurance industry? They will still have the right to sell polices and compete against Medicare as they do today.
The insurance industry also manages the whole Medicare process from start to finish, they make billions doing it.

Its not like the money disappears, the money saved would go right back into the hands of the consumer, and they are the lion share of the economy. And history shows the second they save money, they go out and spend it on a lot of shit, real fast.

[Machismo]

God could I only imagine the mess. You might as well kiss the military goodbye then. no way war loving republicans are going to fund that pile of shit by themselves


Oh and education would crumble because people would stop paying once their kids were out of high school. Of course property taxes could just be offset and have to be frontloaded the second your kid enters school you would basically owe about 30k a year in property taxes for about 12 years, per kid.

Can't really take you serious if you think this is a good idea at all.

Good you opt out of healthcare and I opt out of Military and corporate subsidies. Wana bet by the time we end up opting out and in we pay the same amount of taxes we do today? You realize you will now have to pay for the portion of the military I won't be covering, and I will have to pay for the part of healthcare you are not covering. Basically a wash in the end.
You just made it 10x more difficult and expensive to collect and figure out taxes.





What exactly are they nationalizing, the insurance industry? They will still have the right to sell polices and compete against Medicare as they do today.
The insurance industry also manages the whole Medicare process from start to finish, they make billions doing it.

Its not like the money disappears, the money saved would go right back into the hands of the consumer, and they are the lion share of the economy. And history shows the second they save money, they go out and spend it on a lot of shit, real fast.

Except they are competing against a taxpayer-subsidized industry. That's not a level playing field, not by a long shot.

You bring up another issue, the way Medicare is handled is ghastly. It's filled with fraud, and overspending. That's why asshats like Rick Scott made it to where they are.

As of yet, I haven't seen an actionable plan on how they would do it. Saying "Medicare for all" is not a plan.

[Zan15]

Except they are competing against a taxpayer-subsidized industry. That's not a level playing field, not by a long shot.

You bring up another issue, the way Medicare is handled is ghastly. It's filled with fraud, and overspending. That's why asshats like Rick Scott made it to where they are.

As of yet, I haven't seen an actionable plan on how they would do it. Saying "Medicare for all" is not a plan.

I could easily name a dozen other taxpayer subsidized industries that are doing just fine from the military to farming.

Maybe you are confused who actually manages Medicare? The private sector. So they would be competing against themselves. As they do today in the Medicare advantage market. They sell Medicare Advantage plans to compete with Traditional Medicare (which is also managed by the private sector). They are making money hand over fist.

Only way they would really suffer is if you went to a true national healthcare system like Canada then you would not have a need for an insurance industry. Somehow Canada is doing just fine without a massive health insurance industry. As well as multiple other countries.
Things would rebalance over time.

The govt would just collect the taxes, make the rules and pay the private sector to manage Medicare for all. Just as they do today with Medicare.



There has been several actionable plans, since its just converting everyone to Medicare. They would just have to fine tune the tax rate and decide the timeline on how they will handle negotiations with the health providers/pharma/etc.

Yes it will take many years, just like the original Medicare took. And yet somehow 60 years ago they were able to pull it off, but somehow we are too dumb to do it now???



Medicare fraud is but a fraction of the total amount spent on Medicare. Private insurance companies deal with billions in fraud and overspending as well. They are even less incentivized to deal with it since they can just pass on the cost.

And what a perfect opportunity to fix the problem but with a whole new system with new controls in place right?