DOJ Asking Courts to Strike down ACA, Protections for Preexisting Conditions, etc

[DarkTZeratul]

Their argument is that it’s different this time around because the GoP 2017 tax bill zeroed out the tax penalty of the individual mandate.

Yeah, basically their argument is this:
1. The individual mandate was reduced to zero.
2. It is illegal to have a $0 tax.
3. Therefore the entire ACA is illegal and must be completely eliminated.

A much more likely outcome is that the repeal of the individual mandate will be removed, because policy is that if one part of a law is unconstitutional but the rest is sound, only the unconstitutional part is struck down.

[kaelleria]

It's a complete fallacy that government intervention is needed. People have friends and families that can help them. There are also insurance companies. There are also churches. The ACA was 100% unneeded and unconstitutional.

This is the equivalent of sending thoughts and prayers to gun violence victims.

[jeezusisacasual]

It's a complete fallacy that government intervention is needed. People have friends and families that can help them. There are also insurance companies. There are also churches. The ACA was 100% unneeded and unconstitutional.

Yes a as a type 1 diabetic yo church prolly need 1200-1300 a month for my Novolog and Lantus and needle tops.

[Zaydin]

Just a reminder to Trumpkins: Trump does not give a damn about you. He only cares about himself and what he wants.

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Yeah, basically their argument is this:
1. The individual mandate was reduced to zero.
2. It is illegal to have a $0 tax.
3. Therefore the entire ACA is illegal and must be completely eliminated.

A much more likely outcome is that the repeal of the individual mandate will be removed, because policy is that if one part of a law is unconstitutional but the rest is sound, only the unconstitutional part is struck down.

Except the GOP is fishing for the most right-wing judges they can find who they think will agree with their immoral positions.

[Zan15]

See my response above. Don't forget that Trump ran on repealing ACA - this shouldn't be a surprise or a rug pulled out from under anyone, certainly not his supporters. And of course he still has ample time to spin it as "we have something better in the works." It's not going to cause some seismic shift of voters from one side to another.

its just like how they made the mid term middle class 10% tax cut disappear after the voting was done

they will yell repeal repeal.... we promise a better healthcare plan trust us......re-elected.....no plan....no word

[Magicpot]

Thanks for admitting that modern-day Republicans are a party of trolls whose sole motivating principle is 'pwning teh libs'.

Strategy seems to be working on all fronts. The world is headed for a very much more conservative next couple of decades

[Sky High]

A shame this might not come into play until after 2020. At least the real world backlash anyway.

[Zan15]

My dad bas 1500 acres of soy. He is doing fine. It was $10.15 before tariffs then it dropped to $9 and then trump reimbursed for 1.65. He actually made more than before this whole process AND China is getting pressured.win win for him.

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My dad bas 1500 acres of soy. He is doing fine. It was $10.15 before tariffs then it dropped to $9 and then trump reimbursed for 1.65. He actually made more than before The tariffs started AND China is getting pressured.

Loving those socialist bail outs huh?

[Gestopft]

Strategy seems to be working on all fronts. The world is headed for a very much more conservative next couple of decades

If you think the US is going to get more conservative over the next couple of decades, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

[bladeXcrasher]

The party of Healthcare, lol.

[Felya]

Yes a as a type 1 diabetic yo church prolly need 1200-1300 a month for my Novolog and Lantus and needle tops.

Yeah, hard core arthritis medicine ain’t cheap... and I now have to do the dishes. WTF?

I have gotten really good at cooking... I can make every true Slav meal from this guy:



Cup half full and all that...

[Elegiac]

So...right after Barr actually managed some degree of damage control with his Mueller sparknotes, Trump decides to go and render it meaningless by doing one of the few things guaranteed to ensure he will be unelectable in 2020.

Yep. Sounds about right.

[Zaydin]

Honestly, this has to be one of the stupidest things Trump has done yet, and he's done a lot of stupid things.

It gives Democrats something to rally around and fight back against and it's a winning issue for them; see how important healthcare was during the midterms. Now the GOP is going to be forced to decide to side with Trump and plunge the entire healthcare system in teh US into chaos with a wholesale repeal of the ACA or oppose him and piss off the base that hates the ACA because they were programmed by Fox News and other lie-based right wing media sources to hate it.

[GreenJesus]

So Trump is subsidizing your dad's business with federal money. Are you against the ACA or for it?

I'm not against all of the ACA. I was only against the mandate. I like the aspect of it that allowed you to stay on parent's healthcare till 25 and the pre-existing condition protection. Forcing people to get a plan with super high deductibles and barely any coverage or pay a fee that equaled what their payments used to be was what was wrong with the ACA. What's the point of being "covered" if you are struggling financially, but healthy and forced to pay thousands of dollars for a shit plan?

Republicans should just leave the ACA and move on to other stuff since the mandate is gone.

I think it's okay to subsidize industries that are targeted and adversely affected by foreign powers.

[Masark]

Do Republicans have any other mandate other than to destroy?

I'm reasonably sure their mandate also includes crush and kill.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Anyone remember when Trump said he'd get everyone in the US better insurance that would have lower premiums, cover more costs, and have better health care for all?

Yeah, wonder what happened to that. Are we back to "REPEAL THE ACA! REPLACE WITH 'Poor people must die'"?

[Trifle]

I'm not against all of the ACA. I was only against the mandate. I like the aspect of it that allowed you to stay on parent's healthcare till 25 and the pre-existing condition protection. Forcing people to get a plan with super high deductibles and barely any coverage or pay a fee that equaled what their payments used to be was what was wrong with the ACA. What's the point of being "covered" if you are struggling financially, but healthy and forced to pay thousands of dollars for a shit plan?

The mandate is the part that makes the pre-existing conditions viable. The insurers need a pool that includes healthy people as well as sick people so they can afford paying out all the money to sick people.

The point of being forced to pay money when you're healthy is that when you're not health you get the money you need when you're sick. If everyone only got insurance when they were sick, how would the system work ?! Also, you never know when you'll suddenly become sick... if you get hit by a car but don't have insurance "because I'm health so what's the point", have fun paying that off.

I can't speak as to how good the plans are, they may very well be shit but that has more to do with the insurance companies and the state of healthcare in general in the US than the ACA itself.

[Dontrike]

National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, 567 U.S. 519 (2012), was a landmark United States Supreme Court decision in which the Court upheld Congress' power to enact most provisions of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA), commonly called Obamacare

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ss_v._Sebelius




Not sure what DOJ is after, Supreme Court already ruled it's legit.

Sounds like Trump is trying to fulfill his campaign promise or at least going through the motions.

His campaign promise was to get rid of the ACA and put in something better. We've haven't seen hide nor hair of this better healthcare of his or Republicans. It won't sit well with his base when their healthcare vanishes.

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It's a complete fallacy that government intervention is needed. People have friends and families that can help them. There are also insurance companies. There are also churches. The ACA was 100% unneeded and unconstitutional.

Has $20,000 surgery.
Goes to church, friends, and family.
Needs $19,678.

Almost there!

[Wermys]

It's a complete fallacy that government intervention is needed. People have friends and families that can help them. There are also insurance companies. There are also churches. The ACA was 100% unneeded and unconstitutional.

Bull fucking shit. I work in healthcare. It is one of the most important pieces of legislation that was needed for the past 20 years. You have no fucking clue of how bad it will be if the aca falls. No fucking clue at all. Insurance needs to be forced to have the full risk pool if it doesn't that you are in a situation where they will selectively kick people out of plans. This will result in lower costs for a few but fuck every 40+ year old in the ass so bad he will scream rape as they have no ability to pay for anything at all if they lose there job.

[Bullettime]

Bull fucking shit. I work in healthcare. It is one of the most important pieces of legislation that was needed for the past 20 years. You have no fucking clue of how bad it will be if the aca falls. No fucking clue at all.

Something like the ACA is basically a Pandora's Box. People struggled really badly before and now people have a taste of healthcare and can actually afford to treat their illnesses. If people suddenly lose that, people WILL lash out before they just roll over and die from being cut off from their medications.

The ACA and subsequent expansion plans stemming from it also aided significantly in people being able to afford mental health care. You would have a ton of people losing their medicine, sometimes needed to live, people failing to get check ups and other preventative care that help taxpayers by preventing bankruptcies, and people who finally received treatment for physical or mental conditions suddenly being told they have to give it up.

It will get ugly real fast and the GOP will 100% take the blame for it no matter how hard Fox tries to spin.