Far Left true colors are showing!

[downnola]

China is not Left Wing nor is it a true Communist Country.

It's no true Scotsman, either.

[blothmoth]

Maybe he shouldn't hang out with Nazis... just a thought.

Agree.

Don't know who Tim Pool is but every one of his recent videos is titled like a generic template for an alt-right site.

I see no reason why any one would think he is a socialist, not that I really give a shit.

[szechuan]

It's no true Scotsman, either.

Fair enough, however China is as much Communist as North Korea is Democratic right now.

I don't remember Marx being in favor of State Capitalism where the bourgeoisie are thriving.

[Themius]

You only have to look at society and what people think is racist.

Wanting people to speak the language of the country they live in? Racist.
Wanting people to adapt to the country they live in? Racist.
Wanting people to possess relevant skills to be able to immigrate? Racist.
Having a dress code? Racist.
Language requirements for (service) jobs? Racist.
Security guards taking you and your friends for disturbing other travelers in the metro? Racist.
Being denied a loan because you don't fit the criteria to obtain it? Racist.

Everything is racist to sensitive people. Everything is about their skin color, race or religion, they can never be at fault.

I grew up in New York where I would hear, yiddish, german, Spanish, Italian, Hindi, Russian on a daily basis. Saying "you can't speak that language because you're in America is a totally alien concept. But you know that's what tends to happen when you live in multicultural areas.

Adapt to the country in what way? If by adapt you mean forget you entire culture, that isn't addapting that's erasure. And erasure is typically racist.

Dress code if it is race based is racist.

Security guards taking you and your friends for disturbing travelers well.. how are the others treated?

Denied a loan?! Are you fucking serious there are literally laws about this because of the rampant race issue for instance a white man and a black man both with the same job and debt... the white man is far more likely to get the loan regardless of simlar standings.

[Endus]

It's no true Scotsman, either.

While I don't agree with the "not communist" angle, I think that in general, we'd be best served by finding a way to separate economic and social metrics, when it comes to the left/right axis.

In the 19th Century, the left/right axis was almost entirely economic; you either wanted individual profits for individual capitalists, or you felt the State/the People deserved a fair share in some respect or another.

In the 20th Century, that dichotomy got split pretty handily between nations, during the Cold War. Nations on the side of capitalist theory were largely economically "right wing", in that older sense.

However, at the same time, the social metric of the left/right axis was developed, and it really shares only the lightest of connections with the economic one. While those same capitalist nations were enshrining individual profit-making as their base economic principle, they also saw the negatives, and by the start of the Cold War, had largely implemented (and would continue to expand) sweeping social support systems to mitigate the worst downsides of the economic systems. As well, pushes for egalitarianism became widespread, and the overall push has been to eliminate unfair prejudices and discrimination at the systemic level. An effort that's still ongoing, I'll note.

As a result, you end up with nations like the UK and Canada and the USA, which are largely capitalist (economically "right wing"), but socially liberal (socially "left wing").

And, in the reverse, those same communist systems in the 19th Century which envisioned equality of humankind, were overtaken by totalitarian regimes that strongly enforced Party supremacy over others, and this led to nations like the USSR and Mao's China where they were communist (economically "left wing") but socially illiberal (socially "right wing").

And that's why we yell at each other over the Internet forever about these things, in a nutshell. We're either talking past each other, by one side talking about economics and the other social dynamics, or worse, people presume that there is only one such axis and ignore the wider nuance.

You can't discuss liberalism without noting the shift from classical liberalism to modern liberalism, which is exactly as described above.
You similarly can't discuss the history of communism without noting how far Stalin and Mao took the concept from the positions held by Marx, Engels, and Trotsky.
Neither of these terms are just one "thing".

[Machismo]

Yeah, I've understood by now that you think everything you don't like is racist. Your anecdote just confirms it, you're a "woke anti-racist" now who see racism in everything you don't like.

Not at all, there's plenty of things that I don't like that are not racist. Ethno-nationalists don't happen to be one of those things. When you pal around with racist trash, and constantly defend racist trash, don't be surprised when people call you out on it.

[Ripster42]

He is literally he only person still modding. I may not necessarily agree with every decision but I'd still rather he was doing his thing than there was nobody. . .

Na, the place would be better with no moderation than bad moderation.

[downnola]

While I don't agree with the "not communist" angle, I think that in general, we'd be best served by finding a way to separate economic and social metrics, when it comes to the left/right axis.

In the 19th Century, the left/right axis was almost entirely economic; you either wanted individual profits for individual capitalists, or you felt the State/the People deserved a fair share in some respect or another.

In the 20th Century, that dichotomy got split pretty handily between nations, during the Cold War. Nations on the side of capitalist theory were largely economically "right wing", in that older sense.

However, at the same time, the social metric of the left/right axis was developed, and it really shares only the lightest of connections with the economic one. While those same capitalist nations were enshrining individual profit-making as their base economic principle, they also saw the negatives, and by the start of the Cold War, had largely implemented (and would continue to expand) sweeping social support systems to mitigate the worst downsides of the economic systems. As well, pushes for egalitarianism became widespread, and the overall push has been to eliminate unfair prejudices and discrimination at the systemic level. An effort that's still ongoing, I'll note.

As a result, you end up with nations like the UK and Canada and the USA, which are largely capitalist (economically "right wing"), but socially liberal (socially "left wing").

And, in the reverse, those same communist systems in the 19th Century which envisioned equality of humankind, were overtaken by totalitarian regimes that strongly enforced Party supremacy over others, and this led to nations like the USSR and Mao's China where they were communist (economically "left wing") but socially illiberal (socially "right wing").

And that's why we yell at each other over the Internet forever about these things, in a nutshell. We're either talking past each other, by one side talking about economics and the other social dynamics, or worse, people presume that there is only one such axis and ignore the wider nuance.

You can't discuss liberalism without noting the shift from classical liberalism to modern liberalism, which is exactly as described above.
You similarly can't discuss the history of communism without noting how far Stalin and Mao took the concept from the positions held by Marx, Engels, and Trotsky.
Neither of these terms are just one "thing".

The bolded part is key here. We can't just talk in terms of the left and right axis, we also have to talk about the north and south axis. There's an entire gulf of difference between the ideology of Rosa Luxemburg and the ideology of Mao, and that distinction is absolutely worth making.

The only thing I'd add is that when people hear the word communism, they naturally think of Mao and Stalin. That word represents totalitarian government to many people, and rightly so. Those governments have thoroughly discredited vanguard party communism to the point that even the most hardened USSR apologists from the cold war era know it's a fools errand to defend. When people say "real communism" hasn't been tried, they're technically correct, but it's inevitable that an argument over semantics is going to follow. I partly blame Fox propaganda for that, but I also blame left-libertarians and an-coms for refusing to update their terminology.

[Yingluck]

Not at all, there's plenty of things that I don't like that are not racist. Ethno-nationalists don't happen to be one of those things. When you pal around with racist trash, and constantly defend racist trash, don't be surprised when people call you out on it.

You're doing it again, things you don't like is racist.

[Machismo]

You're doing it again, things you don't like is racist.

Well, I'm still waiting on your evidence to back up your original claim.

Methinks I'll be waiting a while. Meanwhile, "Don't hang out with racist trash" is a pretty good guide for life.

[Yingluck]

Well, I'm still waiting on your evidence to back up your original claim.

Methinks I'll be waiting a while. Meanwhile, "Don't hang out with racist trash" is a pretty good guide for life.

You already provided the evidence yourself by acting exactly in the manner described. You think everything you don't like is racist.

[Machismo]

You already provided the evidence yourself by acting exactly in the manner described. You think everything you don't like is racist.

Once again, you are objectively incorrect. I don't like socialists, but I don' think that makes someone racist. Ethno-nationalists... yeah, racist trash.

Ethno-nationalism is inherently authoritarian, xenophobic, racist, and authoritarian. There really is no way around it.

[Donatello Trumpi]

"WOKE" Leftists Go FULL Racist, Argue AGAINST Inter-Racial Dating

The NYT article he posted in the video was especially worrying.

[Bodonius]

So, simply your opinion... got it.

You can want whatever you like, but when you try and force such bullshit, then your nationalism is likely racist. Here's a thought,, stop trying to tell other people how to live their lives, and stop being an authoritarian. I know, that's a difficult concept for ethno-nationalists and authoritarians to comprehend, but give it a shot.

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Maybe he shouldn't have out with Nazis. I get it, you guys REALLY want to defend those who carry water for white nationalists.

Your trying to make it sound like he have nazi friends, but you probably know that your lying. Just because you talk to people you dont agree with dont make you one of them, thats kind of obvious to everyone... As a mixed person he wouldnt be allowed in a white state anyway so why would he push for that agenda?

[Machismo]

Your trying to make it sound like he have nazi friends, but you probably know that your lying. Just because you talk to people you dont agree with dont make you one of them, thats kind of obvious to everyone... As a mixed person he wouldnt be allowed in a white state anyway so why would he push for that agenda?

Once again, maybe he shouldn't carry water for Nazis.

I know of multiple "mixed" people who carry water for racist shitbags. People will go to great lengths to feel accepted. Until he stops pandering to racist shitbags, he can expect the treatment he's getting.

[Bodonius]

Once again, maybe he shouldn't carry water for Nazis.

I know of multiple "mixed" people who carry water for racist shitbags. People will go to great lengths to feel accepted. Until he stops pandering to racist shitbags, he can expect the treatment he's getting.

Apart from he dont pander to racists. But I guess you have your own definition on what racism is... Good luck with that

[Machismo]

Apart from he dont pander to racists. But I guess you have your own definition on what racism is... Good luck with that

Yep, he loves to carry water for racist trash. That's what a lot of YouTubers do, it pays their bills.

[Freighter]

So basically places that don't appreciate your flavor of racism? Good on them lol

More like, places where you're not allowed to have preferences in dating.

[NED funded]

You can't discuss liberalism without noting the shift from classical liberalism to modern liberalism, which is exactly as described above.
You similarly can't discuss the history of communism without noting how far Stalin and Mao took the concept from the positions held by Marx, Engels, and Trotsky.
Neither of these terms are just one "thing".

I'm not sure why you are separating Trotsky from Stalin. Trotsky would've likely carried the same purges as Stalin did but an even worse scale because he was convinced that the revolution had to be exported.

[Zaydin]

How many times to I have to report this bait thread until it gets locked?