Why does it have to be dbm when I prefer bigwigs? And yeah stock is basically the same as default, you're using the wow raid frames and action bars basically. Ever since wow introduced raid frames customization in their default UI I've been using them. I can't stand people logging in and crying they can't play, promote guildies, trade etc. because elvui or some other random ui overhaul add-on is glitching out for them. It's not to say I don't like a pretty UI if it's customized well but not at the cost of gameplay.