Is this Really Anti-Semitic?

[Cosmic Janitor]

Just the usual phrase to absolve Israel of all criticism and accountability. Nothing new here.

[Themius]

You are not the arbiter on what Jewish people can or cannot find offensive. Furthermore, the NYT agreed with the assessment the cartoon was antisemitic and retracted it. I'm gonna be saving some of the quotes of you here for next time you cry about racism in other circumstances.

There are specific tropes for jews which are absent in that photo. NYT agreeing doesn't actually mean much.

Talking about Serena they didn't make a caricature of her specific features (like most) they made an entirely different cartoon of her that looked like a mammy.

I have called out black people for calling things racist I don't think are racist, but that caricature of Serena looked like a mammy and lacked her sharp features.

[Misuteri]

Hmmm I bet the OP doesn’t view this as anti-Semitic either.

Amazing how people will defend the indefensible.

Oh and look, Nazi DOES stand for national socialism.

Talk about two birds one stone.

[Themius]

Hmmm I bet the OP doesn’t view this as anti-Semitic either.

Amazing how people will defend the indefensible.

Oh and look, Nazi DOES stand for national socialism.

Talk about two birds one stone.

This is clearly anti-Semitic.

The concept of being a politician who is blind led by a dog though is a cliche old satire what you're saying is literally this:

No artist anywhere ever can ever equate a politician is blindly being led by another, if the other politician happens to be Jewish

this isn't having a stand in for "all jews" this is less about jews at all and specifically about bibi and Trumps affinity for specifically that man.

Do you recall how much Bibi tied his election to Trump for instance?

[Themius]

Welcome to being called an anti-semite if you criticize Israel, Themius.

The rest of us have been dealing with this for years.

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And by the way, this is a prime example of why political correctness is bad. So think about it before you start supporting censorship because people are "offended"

If you are against Israel's policy towards the Palestinians, you better fucking believe you are going to get the anti-Jewish card pulled on you.

I spoke with a few people today none of them could tell me specifically what was anti-Semitic all they could say was it showed some trope. One of them was an anti-zionist yet found it anti Semitic because of "shadow figure" trope but that's literally all political cartoons...

Political correctness is not bad it is just decency. We just need to also recognize that critique of Israel or their Political head isn't critique of jews.

[Themius]

You started this topic great, and continued it in the same manner with other examples of political cartoons, including the MBS/Trump one. Don't just go back on it now when it comes to other cases. If it's satire, and not clear propaganda, it's just that. There are plenty of stereotypes in your examples too. The real question is "are they depictions of bigotry" or are they created to incite hate against specific racial groups, genders and so on. The Serena cartoon fails at that, in fact, the Trump ones are actually more suspect of it than the tennis caricature. The "all powerful Jewish influence" , the hooked "Arab nose", the association with Islamic garb, the money, all of these can be considered - if you want to! - as bigoted stereotypes.

Yet all they are, in the end, are satirical depictions of REALITY, nothing else, with the help of some stereotypes. They're not meant to incite hatred. They're meant to mock, or raise awareness of something that is worth the risk, for example the Israel influence in the US that nobody dares question (good job here, brave, no sarcasm), of which the anti-BDS laws are proof, and something that the freespeech warriors should be up in arms against (yeah, sure, lol). Or the Saudi-US "friendship", resulting in Saudi access to modern weaponry and their continued genocide in Yemen and a legitimization of their human rights abuses, with such public mockeries as positions in the UNHRC:

"UN Watch executive director Hillel Neuer said: "It is scandalous that the UN chose a country that has beheaded more people this year [2015] than ISIS to be head of a key human rights panel. Petro-dollars and politics have trumped human rights." Saudi Arabia also shut down criticism, during the UN meeting. In January 2016, Saudi Arabia executed the prominent Shia cleric Sheikh Nimr who had called for free elections in Saudi Arabia."

The MBS nose I felt was suspect but looking at pictures of him... his nose really is just like that and is exaggerated so it was a feature he already had. Else I would say the nose makes that... worrisome but since his nose actually looks like that... If he didn't have a nose like that yet they're giving him one when he doesn't that... that would be an arab trope based on nothing he actually has.

The Serena one doesn't "look" like a caricature of Serena... it just looks like a fat mammy... her normal features that being how sharp her head is... are just ignored and she has a fucking circle for a head which is nowhere near how she looks. This is why if you look at every caricature of Serena you seem similarities except with that one that got backlash and literally it is just one.. Serena has plenty of negative caricatures but they all end up looking like an exaggerated Serena.

As far as Israel influence, it has gotten out of hand. We have Churck Shumer saying that critique of Israel and its pm is hatred of jews... Like if I critique the debacle that was Catalan trying to go indecent from Spain does that mean I hate Catalans? It is retarded and dangerous. We can't talk about AIPAC because it is a trope about "jewish money controlling politicians as a shadow figure" well that's what the fuck a PAC is!

On the last point this is where my point of contention about Omar comes from. When she said her some people comment those "some people" were essentially all from Saudi Arabia... the people we're getting cozy with yet people want to flip out on her "some people" comment than the actual fucking Saudi Government?!

[Donatello Trumpi]

It is anti-semitic and a testament on how far the once great new york times has fallen.

[Tabrotar]

You started this topic great, and continued it in the same manner with other examples of political cartoons, including the MBS/Trump one. Don't just go back on it now when it comes to other cases. If it's satire, and not clear propaganda, it's just that. There are plenty of stereotypes in your examples too. The real question is "are they depictions of bigotry" or are they created to incite hate against specific racial groups, genders and so on. The Serena cartoon fails at that, in fact, the Trump ones are actually more suspect of it than the tennis caricature. The "all powerful Jewish influence" , the hooked "Arab nose", the association with Islamic garb, the money, all of these can be considered - if you want to! - as bigoted stereotypes.

Yet all they are, in the end, are satirical depictions of REALITY, nothing else, with the help of some stereotypes. They're not meant to incite hatred. They're meant to mock, or raise awareness of something that is worth the risk, for example the Israel influence in the US that nobody dares question (good job here, brave, no sarcasm), of which the anti-BDS laws are proof, and something that the freespeech warriors should be up in arms against (yeah, sure, lol). Or the Saudi-US "friendship", resulting in Saudi access to modern weaponry and their continued genocide in Yemen and a legitimization of their human rights abuses, with such public mockeries as positions in the UNHRC:

"UN Watch executive director Hillel Neuer said: "It is scandalous that the UN chose a country that has beheaded more people this year [2015] than ISIS to be head of a key human rights panel. Petro-dollars and politics have trumped human rights." Saudi Arabia also shut down criticism, during the UN meeting. In January 2016, Saudi Arabia executed the prominent Shia cleric Sheikh Nimr who had called for free elections in Saudi Arabia."

What are these anti-BDS laws? I´m not from the US so i have no clue about that, care to elaborate?

[Citizen T]

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