[TV] Batwoman

[niztheundead87]

Vulnerable? Wonder women one shots the god of war who has countless years of experience in battle and experience in godly means who has also killed all the other gods with power she has never used never trained in and knows nothing about.

She wasn’t vulnerable.

Wonder woman is the daughter of Zeus, so he is his sister. yet she had a hard time defeating Ares who even as the God of war is not as strong as her that inherited zues powers.

Unlike Mr drama Captain marvel that got buffed to match thanks unlike her comic self .

Thor in reality is much stronger than carol is since he inherits the Odin force .

But may woman lead

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Neither was Trinity, who shows up in the movie a badass. God forbid we got a Trinity origin story.

Neither was Sarah Connors. The first movie she spends as a puling, frightened girl who had to rely on the big hero man from the future to fight the Terminator for her. The second movie she spends insane and paranoid beyond belief, and substitutes a machine, in her head, as a surrogate father figure for her son who hates her.

These are not strong female characters. They're tropes. Trinity literally has to become more womenly and fall in love with Neo for Neo to achieve the real goal of the movie - to become The One.

This is how you make believable characters however .unlike the Mary Sue style of Rey in sw

Look the alien character for example she looks strong but vulnerable at the same time , people find her likeable.

[Zaktar]

Neither was Trinity, who shows up in the movie a badass. God forbid we got a Trinity origin story.

Neither was Sarah Connors. The first movie she spends as a puling, frightened girl who had to rely on the big hero man from the future to fight the Terminator for her. The second movie she spends insane and paranoid beyond belief, and substitutes a machine, in her head, as a surrogate father figure for her son who hates her.

These are not strong female characters. They're tropes. Trinity literally has to become more womenly and fall in love with Neo for Neo to achieve the real goal of the movie - to become The One.

Yeah! I remember when Kyle Reese destroyed the terminator at the end of the film. Great moment. Seriously though, the movie is about her development as a character, from puling girl to hardened survivor who vanquishes her enemy. She is absolutely a strong character, it is extremely disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Wonder woman is the daughter of Zeus, so he is his sister. yet she had a hard time defeating Ares who even as the God of war is not as strong as her that inherited zues powers.

Unlike Mr drama Captain marvel that got buffed to match thanks unlike her comic self .

Thor in reality is much stronger than carol is since he inherits the Odin force .

But may woman lead

Ares had killed zues and all the other gods as well as having thousands of not millions of years of experience on wonder women. She gets slapped around and then one shots him with something she has never had any experience in, She shouldn’t have stood a chance.

Though I do love that you hold up wonder women being born with the power of the gods that can apparently beat other gods who have life times of experience in war and the means of gods yet put down captain marvel who gained her power from else where and was trained in its use if limited use for years by a race that wanted her to be a living weapon. Clearly marvel is the Mary Sue.

[Ivanstone]

aka make ghostbusters , charlies angels , batmam and other sjw pushing films and flop badly and when they flop blame the "toxic males"
wonder woman came and said hello on you

Wonder woman shows the audience a strong female lead who is also vulnerable.

Batwoman forces the audience to accept Batwoman is strong and invulnerable.

Again, bad TV shows with male leads are never, ever accused of having an agenda. Its like you're allowed to fuck up if you have the right chromosomes.

Captain Marvel is a pretty decent movie. Its certainly not a 1/10 movie but some people can't handle the idea of a woman leading a merely OK movie. Its like giving Braveheart a 1/10 because the lead actor/director is a racist religious fanatic. I still really like Braveheart even though its massively historically inaccurate and Mel Gibson is a piece of shit IRL. There's no agenda's at work here just sometimes good things come from bad people.

PS Good job criticizing a show you haven't seen! Batwoman is strong and invulnerable?!?! She's fucking up left, right and centre! Its almost endearing.

[Jotaux]

Again, bad TV shows with male leads are never, ever accused of having an agenda. Its like you're allowed to fuck up if you have the right chromosomes.

Captain Marvel is a pretty decent movie. Its certainly not a 1/10 movie but some people can't handle the idea of a woman leading a merely OK movie. Its like giving Braveheart a 1/10 because the lead actor/director is a racist religious fanatic. I still really like Braveheart even though its massively historically inaccurate and Mel Gibson is a piece of shit IRL. There's no agenda's at work here just sometimes good things come from bad people.

PS Good job criticizing a show you haven't seen! Batwoman is strong and invulnerable?!?! She's fucking up left, right and centre! Its almost endearing.

Failed male leads are almost never tooted as some sort of progressive messiah before failing.

[Kyphael]

Ares had killed zues and all the other gods as well as having thousands of not millions of years of experience on wonder women. She gets slapped around and then one shots him with something she has never had any experience in, She shouldn’t have stood a chance.

Though I do love that you hold up wonder women being born with the power of the god that can apparently beat other gods who have life times of experience in war and the means of gods yet put down captain marvel who gained her power from else where and was trained in its use if limited use for years by a race that wanted her to be a living weapon. Clearly marvel is the Mary Sue.

To be fair, the cinematic Wonder Woman is not at all very accurate in terms of her history. In the comics, Diana is much older and much more experienced, she didn't just train for like a decade and join men's world. In the comics, she's actually over 2,000 years old. She had a lot of time honing her craft.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

To be fair, the cinematic Wonder Woman is not at all very accurate in terms of her history. In the comics, Diana is much older and much more experienced, she didn't just train for like a decade and join men's world. In the comics, she's actually over 2,000 years old. She had a lot of time honing her craft.

True comic wonder women stands up way better rather it’s pre daughter of Zeus wonder women or post.

[Ivanstone]

Failed male leads are almost never tooted as some sort of progressive messiah before failing.

Incorrect. Everything is marketed. Always. Some things fall well short of the marketing.

Essentially what I'm saying is we're not really looking for "strong female characters". We're looking for a second chance in case we fuck up our "strong female characters". The opportunity to try again is something that male characters, male actors and male creators have enjoyed for decades.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Again, bad TV shows with male leads are never, ever accused of having an agenda. Its like you're allowed to fuck up if you have the right chromosomes.

Captain Marvel is a pretty decent movie. Its certainly not a 1/10 movie but some people can't handle the idea of a woman leading a merely OK movie. Its like giving Braveheart a 1/10 because the lead actor/director is a racist religious fanatic. I still really like Braveheart even though its massively historically inaccurate and Mel Gibson is a piece of shit IRL. There's no agenda's at work here just sometimes good things come from bad people.

PS Good job criticizing a show you haven't seen! Batwoman is strong and invulnerable?!?! She's fucking up left, right and centre! Its almost endearing.

Actually movies with black male leads will get called out the same, people will pretend it wasn’t the case but a ton of people were saying black panther was awful and pushing an agenda before it was ever out.

[niztheundead87]

Ares had killed zues and all the other gods as well as having thousands of not millions of years of experience on wonder women. She gets slapped around and then one shots him with something she has never had any experience in, She shouldn’t have stood a chance.

Though I do love that you hold up wonder women being born with the power of the gods that can apparently beat other gods who have life times of experience in war and the means of gods yet put down captain marvel who gained her power from else where and was trained in its use if limited use for years by a race that wanted her to be a living weapon. Clearly marvel is the Mary Sue.

carol meats up with the person with all the infity stones and still cant hold her line
ALL THE INFINITY STONES , thanos could literally snap her out , the hell he could turn the time back , or turn her to dust on a whim
but no the person with the power os zeus that is literally a god hardly fighting another god is your problem

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Again, bad TV shows with male leads are never, ever accused of having an agenda. Its like you're allowed to fuck up if you have the right chromosomes.

Captain Marvel is a pretty decent movie. Its certainly not a 1/10 movie but some people can't handle the idea of a woman leading a merely OK movie. Its like giving Braveheart a 1/10 because the lead actor/director is a racist religious fanatic. I still really like Braveheart even though its massively historically inaccurate and Mel Gibson is a piece of shit IRL. There's no agenda's at work here just sometimes good things come from bad people.

PS Good job criticizing a show you haven't seen! Batwoman is strong and invulnerable?!?! She's fucking up left, right and centre! Its almost endearing.

your only argument is for the sake virtue signaling here

sjw shows keep floping left and right , but mah strong female leads

rey got with no training as strong as kylo , when luke with effort and training got his ass handed to him
see what a mary sue is

[Lorgar Aurelian]

carol meats up with the person with all the infity stones and still cant hold her line
ALL THE INFINITY STONES , thanos could literally snap her out

What is this suppose to mean? Are you talking about end game? Do you mean she can’t stand up to thanos with the power stone? Do you mean thanos could have snapped her when she was stopping him from closing his hand?

No matter what it means though carol had actually training and experience in her powers and she wasn’t just born with them like wonder women out of the two character only wonder women could be counted as a Mary Sue.

rey got with no training as strong as kylo , when luke with effort and training got his ass handed to him
see what a mary sue is

This also isn’t how the force works kylo got as strong as as he was with no training they are just strong in the force you don’t train to get stronger in the force if that was the case none of the sky walkers would matter as all Jedi trained more then them.

Also wonder women does the same thing.

[Babadoo]

I blame men for not watching it!

[niztheundead87]

What is this suppose to mean? Are you talking about end game? Do you mean she can’t stand up to thanos with the power stone? Do you mean thanos could have snapped her when she was stopping him from closing his hand?

No matter what it means though carol had actually training and experience in her powers and she wasn’t just born with them like wonder women out of the two character only wonder women could be counted as a Mary Sue.



This also isn’t how the force works kylo got as strong as as he was with no training they are just strong in the force you don’t train to get stronger in the force if that was the case none of the sky walkers would matter as all Jedi trained more then them.

Also wonder women does the same thing.

captain marvel got her powers buffed for the film , hence the mary sue factor , she cant even reach thors levels of powers, thor inherited the odin force there is no way she could be his equal . fyi thanos was supposed to wait for helya and odin to die before he attacked . there is no way where any mortal could handle someone that has the infity gaunltet and all the stones. if thanos can defeat the likes of thor and hulk , captain marvel can never handle him . plain and simple

wonder woman as other amazons live longer and hence can train for more time , dianna is the daughter of zeus , she was born with most of her powers but yet she was training for years , hundreds of years. rey reached her powers because no reasonss

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Not sure on this. Did Blade get called out? Beverly Hills Cop? Predator 2? Lethal Weapon? New Jack City? I am Legion? Hell...if After Earth got called out it was for nepotism and being shite - but not for the actors being black.

All of those were before social justice was a thing And people were making countless YouTube videos to make money.

I don't recall an agenda in Black Panther. It is a story like in the comics with a black lead in his native setting (which I honestly wondered why nobody called a racial stereotype)

there wasn’t an agenda but people pretended there was because the cast was almost all black.

Unlike Batwoman or Ghostbusters 2016 etc that pushes anti-male agendas in the film and outside the film. I might be simplifying here - but apparently some ridicule towards Charlie's Angels is that first the director said "It is not for men" and then proceeds to blame men for not seeing it. Well...last time I checked there are still 50% women in the population of every country, so if that film appealed to them...they could have gone and made it a rocking success...like with so many other filsm...like ...say Bridesmaids. Where the director of Ghostbusters 2016 proved he could make a film that appeals to a big audience.

Bad movies are bad this isn’t a surprise I never said they weren’t pushing an agenda as I couldn’t care less about ghost busters or Charlie’s angles.

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captain marvel got her powers buffed for the film , hence the mary sue factor , she cant even reach thors levels of powers, thor inherited the odin force there is no way she could be his equal . fyi thanos was supposed to wait for helya and odin to die before he attacked . there is no way where any mortal could handle someone that has the infity gaunltet and all the stones. if thanos can defeat the likes of thor and hulk , captain marvel can never handle him . plain and simple

wonder woman as other amazons live longer and hence can train for more time , dianna is the daughter of zeus , she was born with most of her powers but yet she was training for years , hundreds of years. rey reached her powers because no reasonss

Captain marvel didn’t get any sort of Power boost out of no where when she was seen in captain marvel she could destroy ships and that was years and years ago so she has only had more experience using her powers. I also don’t think the Odin force was ever brought up after odins death I could be wrong but I think your just making that up. We also saw that even cap was able to stop thanos without using the stones and we know that he has to have a closed fist to use them all at once which marvel was stoping him from doing which is why he took the power stone out.

Wonder women also never trained in her godly power which is why the Amazons were surprised when she uses them learning to swing a sword or shoot a bow is not at all the same as learning to use the power of the gods and even kill another god who beats you countless times in experience.

Rey also doesn’t reach her power for no reason just like Wonder Woman she was born with them but instead of getting them from Zeus she got them from the force.

So in short.

[Svifnymr]

Again, bad TV shows with male leads are never, ever accused of having an agenda. Its like you're allowed to fuck up if you have the right chromosomes.

Most male-lead shows are not pushing a message as blatantly as some of the female lead ones. Super Girl for example, had a bit of the "toxic masculinity" stuff at first, but handled it better than the later seasons that went full Message. There is also a difference between "men are pigs" humor and the antimale stuff that makes it's way into many things today.

Captain Marvel is a pretty decent movie. Its certainly not a 1/10 movie but some people can't handle the idea of a woman leading a merely OK movie.

It's an average marvel movie, formulaic and a bit bland. That said, if they had not gone overboard with the "if you have a complaint about this movie, you're sexist" stuff before it released, I doubt it would have gotten as much hate. I don't really think it's anyones favorite movie, nor probably least favorite.

Its like giving Braveheart a 1/10 because the lead actor/director is a racist religious fanatic. I still really like Braveheart even though its massively historically inaccurate and Mel Gibson is a piece of shit IRL. There's no agenda's at work here just sometimes good things come from bad people.

Drunk Gibson making comments is a little different than the agenda narratives. He didn't like, criticize people in the press or whatever. It's like Tom Cruise, great movies, total nutjob IRL, doesn't preach.

PS Good job criticizing a show you haven't seen! Batwoman is strong and invulnerable?!?! She's fucking up left, right and centre! Its almost endearing.

I admit I haven't watched it, but the advertising for it was bad. Maybe the show doesn't match up to the advertising, like Titans, but I don't feel like trying to keep track of a show without a good streak going. I did like her in Wick2, but no clue how she is in Batwoman.

[Malaky]

Every time a bad show with a female lead happens there are accusations of an "agenda". Every time a bad show with a male lead happens its just a bad show. Makes you wonder what's actually happening.

That depends on the marketing.
When trailers, interviews and articles present the newcoming movie with stuff like AMAZING stories, AMAZING characters, ENGAGING action scenes and the like but turns out a flop, people just carry on with their life as that's just how moviemaking goes.
It's an old game, nobody bats an eye anymore when those amazing promises fall flat.

However when stuff like ghostbusters, ocean's whatever, terminator dark fate all try to play the "WOMEN HERE FINALLY LET THE PRAISING COME" and fail, viewers turn out a good chuckle recognizing these people were a joke who didn't even try to play the game and thought they could bypass the hard work necessary for success with "representation".

[niztheundead87]

All of those were before social justice was a thing And people were making countless YouTube videos to make money.

there wasn’t an agenda but people pretended there was because the cast was almost all black.



Bad movies are bad this isn’t a surprise I never said they weren’t pushing an agenda as I couldn’t care less about ghost busters or Charlie’s angles.

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Captain marvel didn’t get any sort of Power boost out of no where when she was seen in captain marvel she could destroy ships and that was years and years ago so she has only had more experience using her powers. I also don’t think the Odin force was ever brought up after odins death I could be wrong but I think your just making that up. We also saw that even cap was able to stop thanos without using the stones and we know that he has to have a closed fist to use them all at once which marvel was stoping him from doing which is why he took the power stone out.

Wonder women also never trained in her godly power which is why the Amazons were surprised when she uses them learning to swing a sword or shoot a bow is not at all the same as learning to use the power of the gods and even kill another god who put beats you countless times in experience.

Rey also doesn’t reach her power for no reason just like Wonder Woman she was born with them but instead of getting them from Zeus she got them from the force.

So in short.

thanos was literally waiting for odin to die so he can attack because he was the only one that could foil his plans . read the comics , learn something. hulk that has an infinite healing factor couldnt handle it but somehow captain sue can .

the amazons in comics are stronger than the average comics . diana born , daughter of zeus.a demigod is stronger than the average amazon so where was much stronger yet has a hard time handling her powers.she inferits the powers of the king of gods that defeated kronus the titan


rey with minimal training can defeat everyone , when luke after all his training got rekt

everything i say makes sense ,

here educate yourself

https://bleedingfool.com/blogs/capta...lm-was-better/

even the creator of the captain marvel says it lol

[Ivanstone]

your only argument is for the sake virtue signaling here

sjw shows keep floping left and right , but mah strong female leads

rey got with no training as strong as kylo , when luke with effort and training got his ass handed to him
see what a mary sue is

Rabble, rabble, AGENDA, Rabble

Rabble, Rabble, ignores show has been picked for another season along with Legends, Supergirl and Black Lightning

Rabble, rabble, ignore SW Ep I-III are pretty terrible but somehow Anakin and George are never accused of pushing some form of agenda

How about you take a less paranoid view of a person's actions? Sometimes a weak show is just that. Weak.

[niztheundead87]

Rabble, rabble, AGENDA, Rabble

Rabble, Rabble, ignores show has been picked for another season along with Legends, Supergirl and Black Lightning

Rabble, rabble, ignore SW Ep I-III are pretty terrible but somehow Anakin and George are never accused of pushing some form of agenda

How about you take a less paranoid view of a person's actions? Sometimes a weak show is just that. Weak.

when the creator of your own film admits your movie was not that good you know there is something wrong lol

you cant ignore the fact that captain marvel was only saved because she was in between two avengers films
if it was stand alone it would flop. everyone knows that. unless you live in a dream world

sw ep 1-3 were done for the money to cash in the franchise alone , your agruement is moronic

how about you check what happens when people push identity stuff like in charlies angels and then compare it to the aliens franchise , heck even the resident evil films did better

[Lorgar Aurelian]

thanos was literally waiting for odin to die so he can attack because he was the only one that could foil his plans . read the comics , learn something. hulk that has an infinite healing factor couldnt handle it but somehow captain sue can .

the amazons in comics are stronger than the average comics . diana born , daughter of zeus.a demigod is stronger than the average amazon so where was much stronger yet has a hard time handling her powers.she inferits the powers of the king of gods that defeated kronus the titan


rey with minimal training can defeat everyone , when luke after all his training got rekt

everything i say makes sense , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM5OlAaoah0&t=270s

here educate yourself

Wait do you think that the comics match up to the movies? Because that’s not at all how this works.

Thanos might have been waiting for Odin to die I didn’t read the MCU tie in comics so I don’t know but given that literally every thing else you have said so far has been wrong I won’t take your word at it. Also again I don’t think they ever said any thing about the Odin force in the movies past Odins death, the mcu isn’t the comic just because it happens there doesn’t make it happen in the mcu.

The hulk also doesn’t have the same level of healing as he does in the comics so I don’t know what your on about with his infinite healing when he spends the battle with a wrecked arm from using the gauntlet.

The DCU like the MCU isn’t the comics nothing there is relevant to movie wonder women.

Luke wasn’t finished training in empire and beat Vader in return. Rey has also only beaten a heavily wounded kylo and some red guys she lost to every one else.

I’m also not watching your video you can make your own arguments even if you have done it poorly.


So in short your talking complete nonsense and I’d post that picture again I’d I wouldn’t get infracted for spam as again every single thing you said is wrong.