Rammstein: nazi's? borderline racists? what gives?

[alturic]

So, outside of simply liking their music (and rarely understanding the lyrics), is Rammstein known in Germany for being nazi sympathizers or being borderline racists? Are they simply, seemingly, teetering on that edge for marketing?

A ton of their videos are very nazi-esque (or at the very least, portraying nazi clothing), and when there's blacks in them, I can't say they are in a negative light but it just seems like they are thrown in for a reason I can't really put my finger on.

I don't know the general view on nazi's or racism in Germany but I would imagine they can't be either or they wouldn't have a career? lol

[Biomega]

They are, in fact, the exact opposite. They're vehemently opposed to the right, and have strongly objected on multiple occasions to being glorified by them.

Their works are usually satirical, ridiculing all notions of nationalist superiority or racial supremacy. However, it's difficult to fully grasp without understanding the lyrics, both in terms of language and in terms of context. And they're not mincing words - their language is direct, their visuals often crass and violent. They're not catering to political correctness. I personally think that they're a bit off the mark every now and then, too. But it's a formula that has worked well for them, I guess.

[Nitros14]

One of their song lyrics explicitly quotes the motto of a Socialist party in Germany.

"They want my heart to beat in the right place, but if I look down, then it beats left."

Links 2 3 4.


Their more recent video depicts how awful Germany's past is and that they can't love their own country because of it.

Check out Deutschland.

"Germany,
My heart in flames
Want to love you want to damn you
Germany
Your love is a blessing and a curse
Germany
My love I cannot give to you"

Their lead singer sings these lyrics while dressed up as a Jewish inmate at an extermination camp in the 1940's.


So yeah they're a pretty left wing band. They were all born and raised in communist East Germany.

[Calfredd]

So yeah they're a pretty left wing band. They were all born and raised in communist East Germany.

I don't know if being not Nazi really counts as left wing.

Off-topic but I'm always saddened and conflicted that all the bad guys, both fiction and real life, always have snazzy uniforms and outfits.

[Socialhealer]

there we go speaking German = nazi.

add that to the list of things that makes you a nazi on mmo-c, thats like number 739? i forget.

[hzjf]

So, outside of simply liking their music (and rarely understanding the lyrics), is Rammstein known in Germany for being nazi sympathizers or being borderline racists? Are they simply, seemingly, teetering on that edge for marketing?

A ton of their videos are very nazi-esque (or at the very least, portraying nazi clothing), and when there's blacks in them, I can't say they are in a negative light but it just seems like they are thrown in for a reason I can't really put my finger on.

I don't know the general view on nazi's or racism in Germany but I would imagine they can't be either or they wouldn't have a career? lol

The General view on Nazis and Racism is simple

Do you have a different Opinion as the Mainstream ? Congratulations you are a Nazi and a Racist

and no im not joking. Thats Reality


We had a Afd Politican getting attacked by Antifa and not a single one condemned this Attack even worse they defended it. We are back in the 30s with open discrimination and defamation


Rammstein just likes to shock People

[Donald Hellscream]

They're certainly not nazi's.

[Nitros14]

I don't know if being not Nazi really counts as left wing.

It doesn't, but they explicitly claim to be left wing.

[Yoshingo]

I dont follow them very closely but I thought that they were always mocking the idea of fascism and Nazism.

[IIamaKing]

Is this bait? Feels like bait.

[Kumorii]

Imagery does not mean support.... I hate that this is a thing to instantly assume someones stance without looking further for why they use the imagery.

[Risale]

Lets put it this way if the were alive in Nazi Germany they would have ended up in a camp. So no they are not Nazis or anywhere close to that.

[Sanguinerd]

Kinda sad if you think about all those people who think like OP but never bother asking and just assume they're nazis.

Thats how this shit often goes.

[Biomega]

I feel that their act is finally coming apart and getting transparent enough for all too see. I'd say probably Nazi. Even if they don't know it, they probably harbor white supremacist views and their portrayal of black women is exploitative.

Do you have anything concrete to back up a claim of their white supremacist views? Are you familiar enough with both the German language, and the context of German history (both past and contemporary)?

I agree that their imagery is often exploitative, however Germany isn't the US. Seeing a black woman feature prominently in a music video as she is in this case is very different in a nation where black people have almost no presence whatsoever. They put her there as a deliberate statement, a black savior figure in a song critical of Germany's past and its glorification - it's exploitative by some standards, to be sure, but not without reason.

[Kakylukia]

No. They are the best provocateurs I've seen in my life. Deutschland video has the moment where the singer says "Deutchland uber allen" but he says it dressed as someone under the nazi occupation inside a nazi camp as he is infront of gallows pole. It is very clever what they are doing and it is with purpose to provocate in order to get more attention, and to show their disagreement or critique towards something.

One song of them is called America for that matter. They really stirred up some hate into Americans on their videos going " YOU HAD HITLER AND NOW YOU CRITICIZE US?????!!!!" and stuff like that, but they made that song in order to criticize america's presence everywhere, and used the U.S.A presence on the moon as how far it goes.

Other time they criticize about real life events, where people eat each other dicks and they find that horrific therefore the song is rather visually disturbing. Or the event where Joseph Fritzel held the girl in basement for 15 years. They make song about those events so that bad things are not forgotten.

Some of their songs are like ...well some people call it political but I think they are what "middle man" would think about it. That one guy who is average and caught up in the center of something.

In short: it is never that simple with them, and it really makes you constantly think about it. But what makes Rammstein great - is the music they create.

Some sounds they make it is like Futuristic German Industrial Soldier rocking off the guitar on the top of the Atomic Power Plant singing in german: "Ich trage einen Brief an mir..." and it wakes some really powerful senses you never knew you had in you.

I am not even die hard fan but I love the band very much.

[Grimbold21]

Is this bait? Feels like bait.

Yes, yes it is.

[Cosmic Janitor]

They are shock-rockers or something along those lines. They live by outrage, no matter where it comes from. They claim to be the exact opposite of nazis and I could very much see that, but their stuff is usually made in such a way that you can interpret it however you want, especially if you believe all that shit, which is why they are/were glorified by the far-right. There are certainly bands that are even more blatant without much room for interpretation.

[Varitok]

So, outside of simply liking their music (and rarely understanding the lyrics), is Rammstein known in Germany for being nazi sympathizers or being borderline racists? Are they simply, seemingly, teetering on that edge for marketing?

A ton of their videos are very nazi-esque (or at the very least, portraying nazi clothing), and when there's blacks in them, I can't say they are in a negative light but it just seems like they are thrown in for a reason I can't really put my finger on.

I don't know the general view on nazi's or racism in Germany but I would imagine they can't be either or they wouldn't have a career? lol

This is just gold.

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One of their song lyrics explicitly quotes the motto of a Socialist party in Germany.

"They want my heart to beat in the right place, but if I look down, then it beats left."

Links 2 3 4.


Their more recent video depicts how awful Germany's past is and that they can't love their own country because of it.

Check out Deutschland.

"Germany,
My heart in flames
Want to love you want to damn you
Germany
Your love is a blessing and a curse
Germany
My love I cannot give to you"

Their lead singer sings these lyrics while dressed up as a Jewish inmate at an extermination camp in the 1940's.


So yeah they're a pretty left wing band. They were all born and raised in communist East Germany.

It's not that they can't love their country for it. It's the fact that their country is very young in terms of it's new societal system and they love it but at the same time they can't help but hate what it used to be and are acutely aware of it as to not repeat their past mistakes.

[alturic]

Is this bait? Feels like bait.

Honestly not, I always got the vibe from their videos.

Yes, new stuff is great btw.

[VanishingAct]

So, outside of simply liking their music (and rarely understanding the lyrics), is Rammstein known in Germany for being nazi sympathizers or being borderline racists? Are they simply, seemingly, teetering on that edge for marketing?

A ton of their videos are very nazi-esque (or at the very least, portraying nazi clothing), and when there's blacks in them, I can't say they are in a negative light but it just seems like they are thrown in for a reason I can't really put my finger on.

I don't know the general view on nazi's or racism in Germany but I would imagine they can't be either or they wouldn't have a career? lol

They are way beyond your narrow and ignorant comprehension of the world mate so don't worry about it.