Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Felya]

Well, the scientific community almost universally disagrees with you. I get it that older generations won't have to deal with the issues climate change is bringing, but one would think that people with kids would give enough of a shit to not want to leave their children saddled with these issues because changing habits is inconvenient and can cost a bit more.

I don’t understand why it’s not treated like a conspiracy theory. People who claim the earth is flat are conspiracy theorist, because they believe scientists are in cahoots to create a lie of a spherical earth. Denying climate change, as you can literally watch the polar ice caps melt and glaciers disappear, should be treated the same. It’s the same logic leading both conspiracy theories...

[Ghostpanther]

Well, the scientific community almost universally disagrees with you. I get it that older generations won't have to deal with the issues climate change is bringing, but one would think that people with kids would give enough of a shit to not want to leave their children saddled with these issues because changing habits is inconvenient and can cost a bit more.

I am glad you said that at least. I am all for reducing pollution and plastic usages should be reduced. And improving air, ground, water quality. But to suggest we should reduce meat consumption to save the planet, is radical to me and more than likely, to billions of other humans on the planet. But why should he be flying around on a private plane, when it is much more less polluting and contributing to global warming if he used a public one? More convenience? Sounds hypocritical to me.

But meh. We are debating something which will never become reality anyway. Him being the nominee or his radical proposals.
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Again you treat your inability to accept reality as a 'difference of opinion'. Calling things "radical" because they are inconvenient only reinforces our perception of you. The problems exist, the solutions are necessary; just because you don't want to do it doesn't mean it isn't real.

I treat what I think is reality, with realism. You are free to disagree. Does not matter to me ether way.

[Felya]

I treat what I think is reality, with realism. You are free to disagree. Does not matter to me ether way.

Do you believe that the near universal agreement from scientist and the footage of melting ice caps, with glaciers disappearing is the result of some conspiracy? Why do you think those are not real?

[Benggaul]

Climate change denial is quite strong with older generations. I see it a lot in my local area. I've given it a lot of thought. They have kids and grandchildren. I know they love them.

Best I can figure is that they'd rather feel like they didn't do anything wrong. They lived their entire lives causing this problem, of course, but would rather spend their last days pretending they didn't. They don't want to feel guilty or responsible for all of the damage they caused. This seems common among boomers on many issues.

They also don't want to change. They are set in their ways. The idea of dramatically changing their lifestyles to help the environment is offensive to them. I think this helps fuel their denial of reality.

Weeeeeell to be very honest the average boomer isn't really responsible for the state of climate change either. The top 3 things individuals can do to help mitigate the effects of climate change are eat less meat (beef in particular), drive electric vehicles and try to hook up their houses to solar power. The first one anyone can do, sure, but the last two aren't really much of an option for a huge portion of the population.

Now, if you mean their votes putting people in office who don't hold the companies responsible for their pollutants--because it's really like the top 100 global companies who contribute the most towards accelerating climate change--then okay, you have a point there.

[Gestopft]

And Bernie Bros wonder why they have trouble gaining traction with people who aren't....you know...white.

As much as I hate to say it...2016 called: it wants it's smear back.

He's the second choice among Black voters.

His supporters are more likely to be non-whites than the other major candidates (go to page 3).

He's doing more than fine with non-white voters. His bigger problem is older voters.

To be clear, there is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to improve access to reproductive healthcare in developing countries. But throwing out terms like "population control" and not making consideration of things like how humanitarian aid is often an exercise in neocolonialism doesn't do him any favors.

So his mistake wasn't actually what he said, but what he didn't say, then...yes?

[Dontrike]

I treat what I think is reality, with realism. You are free to disagree. Does not matter to me ether way.

In other words "I live in my own little world" or "I reject your reality and substitute my own".

[Blade Wolf]

As much as I hate to say it...2016 called: it wants it's smear back.

He's the second choice among Black voters.

His supporters are more likely to be non-whites than the other major candidates (go to page 3).

He's doing more than fine with non-white voters. His bigger problem is older voters.



So his mistake wasn't actually what he said, but what he didn't say, then...yes?

His problem is boomers who still seem to believe that anything with the word socialism is evil.

[Dontrike]

His problem is boomers who still seem to believe that anything with the word socialism is evil.

Which is why they avoid calling it that when they support actual socialism (farmer bailouts).

[Ghostpanther]

Kamala Harris is making some blunders.....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kam...trump-retarded

Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., claimed Saturday that she didn't hear an audience member at a New Hampshire town hall Friday call President Trump "mentally retarded" and apologized for laughing after the comment.

"When my staff played the video from my town hall yesterday, it was upsetting," Harris tweeted Saturday. "I didn’t hear the words the man used in that moment, but if I had I would’ve stopped and corrected him. I’m sorry. That word and others like it aren’t acceptable. Ever."

Video of the incident includes the following exchange:

Audience member: "What are you going to do in the next one year to diminish the mentally retarded actions of this guy?"

Harris: "Well said." (Giggles.) "Well said. Well, I plan to win this election, I'll tell you that.

She at least apologized, but did she apologize because she got caught? Why would she say, well said twice and not hear what he said? Or was it she knew it was a negative comment about Trump and it was all that mattered?

Also....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kam...t-true-reports

Sen. Kamala Harris claimed during a climate change town hall Wednesday that she once sued Exxon Mobil for allegedly misleading shareholders and the public about the threats of climate change. But according to several reports, that's not true.

Harris made the assertion when CNN moderator Erin Burnett asked if Harris would sue the fossil fuel company if elected president.

“I have sued Exxon Mobil,” she said, drawing applause from the audience.

But InsideClimate News reported last week that although Harris vowed to take on Exxon while she was California’s attorney general in 2016, New York’s Attorney General Barbara Underwood was the only one to actually sue the oil giant.

The California Office of the Attorney General confirmed to the publication that no lawsuit was filed against Exxon from 2011 to 2017, when Harris was the state's attorney general, or between 2004 and 2011 when she was San Francisco’s district attorney.

Just a flat out lie to get votes?

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This is one reason I like this Democrat candidate....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tul...-country-apart

Gabbard, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, told Greta Van Susteren on her new show “Full Court Press” that it’s “important for us to think about what is in the best interest of the country and the American people, and continuing to pursue impeachment is something that I think will only further tear our country apart," The Hill reported.

Gabbard said that voters should be the ones to get Trump out of office, not Congress.

"Make no bones about it: We need to defeat Donald Trump," she said. "But I think it’s important for our country’s sake and our future that the voters in this country are the ones who do that, and I believe that we will."

It's a shame she does not stand a chance of becoming the nominee. She offers some sanity to the party. Would make a awesome running mate for the nominee in my opinion.

[Dontrike]

Kamala Harris is making some blunders.....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kam...trump-retarded

Nothing like you posting about these minor things while the man you voted for fucks up in every way imaginable.

Just a flat out lie to get votes?

Is that a problem? You don't seem to have one when Trump does it a few dozen times a day.

[draynay]

She at least apologized

So a candidate can apologize, or... spend a week tweeting about how they were never wrong and bully government organizations into ignoring reality and pretending they were never wrong despite the fact that they were always wrong and insisting on re-writing the truth endangered american citizens by inciting panic where none was warranted.

Thanks again for your complete lack of perspective.

[Ghostpanther]

So a candidate can apologize, or... spend a week tweeting about how they were never wrong and bully government organizations into ignoring reality and pretending they were never wrong despite the fact that they were always wrong and insisting on re-writing the truth endangered american citizens by inciting panic where none was warranted.

Thanks again for your complete lack of perspective.

This is not the Trump Shitshow thread. It is suppose to be about the Democrat candidates and our opinion of them. Would be nice to stay on topic. And I did comment she at least apologized, but questioned her motive.

[draynay]

This is not the Trump Shitshow thread. It is suppose to be about the Democrat candidates and our opinion of them. Would be nice to stay on topic. And I did comment she at least apologized, but questioned her motive.

And I am decrying the lack of value of your opinion and wondering why I or anyone else should care when you share it.

Presumably, the point of the primary is to run for president against Trump, pretending he doesn't matter is beyond silly, so lets not hide from things.

[Ghostpanther]

And I am decrying the lack of value of your opinion and wondering why I or anyone else should care when you share it.

Presumably, the point of the primary is to run for president against Trump, pretending he doesn't matter is beyond silly, so lets not hide from things.

You do not have to even read my posts. And this thread is not about me you know. Why you want to make it personal is your problem.

Of course Trump matters, which is why I have said in the past, he is likely to not be reelected. And I would rather see a moderate Democrat be the one to beat him. I may even vote in the Ohio Democrat primary if the race is close. And one of the candidates now running, may end up being the VP pick for the nominee. So yes, it does matter to me which one wins.

[Video Games]

Harris “called” trump a retard. Finally, something we can agree on.

[Ghostpanther]

Harris “called” trump a retard. Finally, something we can agree on.

Lol! She didn't. It was one of her supporters in the crowd she was attending. It is debatable however if she actually agreed with the person. So was her apology sincere?

[Video Games]

Lol! She didn't. It was one of her supporters in the crowd she was attending. It is debatable however if she actually agreed with the person. So was her apology sincere?

I put called in quotations for a reason. She obviously heard him but he is a retard so it doesn't matter. Im actually disappointed she apologized.

[Ghostpanther]

I put called in quotations for a reason. She obviously heard him but he is a retard so it doesn't matter. Im actually disappointed she apologized.

There you go. Good input. That is what I am thinking. She heard him and apologized when she was called out on it. She feels it does matter ( for votes ) or she would not have apologized.

[Elegiac]

Lol! She didn't. It was one of her supporters in the crowd she was attending. It is debatable however if she actually agreed with the person. So was her apology sincere?

Dunno, has the last person you voted for apologised for mocking a disabled reporter on national television?

Stones in a glass house and all that.

[draynay]

You do not have to even read my posts. And this thread is not about me you know. Why you want to make it personal is your problem.

Of course Trump matters, which is why I have said in the past, he is likely to not be reelected. And I would rather see a moderate Democrat be the one to beat him. I may even vote in the Ohio Democrat primary if the race is close. And one of the candidates now running, may end up being the VP pick for the nominee. So yes, it does matter to me which one wins.

That your opinion is nonsense isn't because its yours, it could be someone else's opinion and have the same issues.