Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[57States]

Ah, ok, so you're a parody account of a stupid Trump supporter. Got it.

How do you expect anyone to take your stance seriously with that weaksauce? There are many many Trump supporters, but don't take my word on it. Wait until November, and bring your tissues.

[Theodarzna]

Why are you incapable of admitting that your candidate (maybe our candidate) makes mistakes? THIS is what infuriates the rest of us about Bernie Bros - their inability to point out mistakes by their candidate.

Bernie Bro's don't exist. People naturally get kind of annoyed when a candidate is insulted, or their voters. The whole "Bernie Bros" and "Brocialism" schtick is just gaslighting from the most vicious and vile media people whom like to be aggressors but freak when someone fights back.

[cubby]

That pretty much sums up the whole reason that the US has such long political campaigns.

I think you and I can find a LOT of common ground on this issue. The entire U.S. electoral system and process needs to be dumped, and we adopt Canada's, in it's entirety. Also the EC needs to go, but I'm not sure we agree on that.

[Masark]

The entire U.S. electoral system and process needs to be dumped, and we adopt Canada's, in it's entirety. Also the EC needs to go, but I'm not sure we agree on that.

Yeah, but that would involve replacing one EC with another EC.

[cubby]

Probably illegal for me and you but not for a billionaire with a team of accountants of thats what you mean. But that would just he typical billionaire tax evasion and paying people off. I haven't done enough research to find anything "illegal". But do you honestly believe the creator of the bloomberg terminal hasnt engaged in insider trading?

No, I would not be surprised at all to find at least shady shit he's done in the past to make his billions. However, that's capitalism - and if he wasn't caught, then it's not yet illegal - if you follow my wink-wink-nudge-nudge logic there.

I'm asking about all out foundation closed or asking foreign countries for election help kind of illegal. Blatantly, got off scot-free because he's a billionaire, kind of thing. I'm not asking you to say that he's free and clear of wrong doing, and I'm not after that kind of conclusion. I'm really just curious if there is anything out there, like that, on him. Because to me, that would be a major disqualifier.

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Yeah, but that would involve replacing one EC with another EC.

You, sir, are in timeout for five minutes. Puns and dad jokes are over there -------->

[eschatological]

I don’t know what it means to release your medical records. Does it include photos of the surgery? Video?

How about you just tell me what’s missing that you want to see?

I'd be interested in the results of a full angio workup. Like, stress tests, etc. 3 months out, 6 months out, like what a normal heart attack patient goes through.

I don't even need to see the inside of Bernie's arteries, just the notes on the results of that. And, AFAIK, those stress tests A) wouldn't have happened by the time those letters came out, and B) should have been done by now, so they should have the results - or they haven't been done yet.

[57States]

When you use bullshit like "Bolshevik", your opinion can pretty much be ignored. Since you don't know shit about what you are talking about.

Please don't ignore me. You'll hurt my feelings!

/s

If my opinion of Bolshevik Bernie's political aspirations are that ridiculous to you, I find it curious that you wasted your time responding to it, especially considering the echo chamber that this forum section is. Are you afraid of the inevitable outcome of the November election? I can't say that I blame you if so. No one enjoys getting publicly spanked, but we all become humbled in due time.

[Zaktar]

I think you and I can find a LOT of common ground on this issue. The entire U.S. electoral system and process needs to be dumped, and we adopt Canada's, in it's entirety. Also the EC needs to go, but I'm not sure we agree on that.

A good step is well underway https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/written-explanation

The National Popular Vote bill has been enacted by 16 jurisdictions possessing 196 electoral votes, including 4 small states (DE, HI, RI, VT), 8 medium-sized states (CO, CT, MD, MA, NJ, NM, OR, WA), 3 big states (CA, IL, NY), and the District of Columbia. The bill will take effect when enacted by states with 74 more electoral votes. The bill has passed at least one chamber in 9 additional states with 88 more electoral votes (AR, AZ, ME, MI, MN, NC, NV, OK, VA). A total of 3,408 state legislators from all 50 states have endorsed it.

[jeezusisacasual]

That's an easy question to answer. No one other than globalists gives a flying fuck what people who reside outside of the United States of America thinks about what its citizens call "left" versus "right". I don't care what you consider left or right, nor does anyone else I know. This thread is about American politics, not politics regarding your country or the viewpoints of its citizens.

Your opinion of the political situation in a country that you do not reside in has been noted. I thank you on behalf of my fellow citizens that you find our politics so interesting. Forgive me for the fact that I cannot be arsed to be concerned with the political situation where you are.

I hate to tell you this but isolationism will never take off again. The monetary means ensures that which unless you are willing to work for those wages they pay in China and soon Africa good luck. People whom complain about globalism would freak the fuck out at the price increases that would be forced upon them should something as stupid as that idea to take place. The collective has more power then the singular in almost every regard more so when it comes to economic policy over feelings. Tariffs are a tax applied on the states citizenry when they are enacted in the world of globalism the larger players will lose leverage over time as different emerging economies gain the ability to compete its rather simple.

Also Trump is a globalist since he got on his knees for NAFTA2 ( The Sequel ) and giving China a nice wet kiss that they will just say no in time given the economic strain the coronavirus has inflicted on them.

[57States]

That is a really elaborate way to describe prideful ignorance.

Feel free to elaborate, please. If you're attempting to shame me based on my pride of American exceptionalism, I suggest that you not waste your time. You'll have a severely futile battle explaining how terrible my country is considering the thousands of people trying to enter it.

[cubby]

A good step is well underway https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/written-explanation

Good point, and I'm familiar with their goal. I'm concerned about the legal ramifications, if and when they actually get it passed. Of course this is our current best hope, since the GOP is afraid of popular votes. Voters in general, actually. Non-white ones at least.

[Zaktar]

Good point, and I'm familiar with their goal. I'm concerned about the legal ramifications, if and when they actually get it passed. Of course this is our current best hope, since the GOP is afraid of popular votes. Voters in general, actually. Non-white ones at least.

I'm not sure it will end up being legal, though I think it's been challenged already, will probably end up getting decided by the SC. We may find out soon (this decade-ish)! What are your concerns?

[PickleballAce]

You’re either retarded or a troll.

Remember these two concepts are not mutually exclusive. It's obvious that Slacker or whatever it was is just playing the role of... what is it that europeons like to say? Piss Taker? Wind-up Merchant??

[Omega10]

I think you and I can find a LOT of common ground on this issue. The entire U.S. electoral system and process needs to be dumped, and we adopt Canada's, in it's entirety. Also the EC needs to go, but I'm not sure we agree on that.

While dumping the EC is important, and shortening the election season would be most welcome, the democratic debates from last week and this week seem to accurately reflect the state of America today.

6 of the candidates proved that they definitely can throw a mean punch. Which is exactly what Americans want in their politicians, and is what will be needed versus Trump. Sanders, who didn't do much attacking due to the 6 vs 1 nature of the debate, did a decent job on defense. Bloomberg showed that he does not defend too well, although not as badly this week as last week.

The details of this debate will be forgotten shortly. And, if I understand correctly, in mid-March there will be another shouting match disguised as a debate.

The shout em down quality of this debate will not be fixed by changing the rules, or even in shortening the length of time of the electoral process. On the other hand, July to November are going to be really unpleasant times for America. The election will be expensive, and absolutely brutal.

We'll see next week how this debate does or does not shake up the election. All the rest between now and then is repeating the attacks and defenses that were made this evening as loudly and often as possible.

Trump supporters should not take too much comfort from the intensity and even hatred between the democratic candidates. This energy will be directed directly at Trump soon enough. And these democratic candidates are all out for blood.

[57States]

I hate to tell you this but isolationism will never take off again. The monetary means ensures that which unless you are willing to work for those wages they pay in China and soon Africa good luck. People whom complain about globalism would freak the fuck out at the price increases that would be forced upon them should something as stupid as that idea to take place. The collective has more power then the singular in almost every regard more so when it comes to economic policy over feelings. Tariffs are a tax applied on the states citizenry when they are enacted in the world of globalism the larger players will lose leverage over time as different emerging economies gain the ability to compete its rather simple.

Also Trump is a globalist since he got on his knees for NAFTA2 ( The Sequel ) and giving China a nice wet kiss that they will just say no in time given the economic strain the coronavirus has inflicted on them.

I neither mentioned nor implied isolationism, but thank you for your ability to express a strawman. China (Corona handling ineptitude) and Africa (lol) are your examples to compel me to see your point of view? Oye.

Also, Trump eradicated the economically unfeasible NAFTA deal and replaced it with the USMCA, and made deals with both Canada and Mexico to the benefit of all. Are you angry that Obama was pathetic and ultimately useless regarding foreign policy and are lashing out as a result of his embarrassing ineptitude?

[Collegeguy]

A friendly PSA. Bernie Bros are sadly a real thing. Stay safe out there.

Shouting, "Block her in!" They scream at her to debate a fringe far-left candidate who only has 2 donors from Illinois. The guys in the video describe themselves as democratic socialists. They posted this Facebook Live video last night after staking out a public event. This is precisely the kind of aggressive bullying
Buttigieg and Warren chided Sanders for during the last debate.

Why do you post in the politics section so much if softball protesting scares you? Bernie is winning, and you should just get over it.

[Yoshingo]

Yeah I donno, there wasn't really a clear winner or loser here. The corporate media seems to have finally decided they think Biden won, but I don't think any body did.

Everyone looked kind of shitty.

Bloombot 2000 thought he could tell bad jokes to cover up for his lack of a personality. He also blew the, "RUSSIA SUPPORTS SANDERS!" disingenuous attack line in the dumbest possible way that Sanders laughed at and deprived anybody else from using it. He also keeps consistently lying about his record on almost everything, and I have no idea why people aren't calling him more out on it.

Warren tried, and failed imo, to positively contrast herself with Sanders despite them overlapping on 99.9% of issues. And Bloombots' paid minions rendered her otherwise decent attack lines not as effective, which was probably their only purpose there.

Sanders failed to properly defend himself against a few of the disingenuous attacks and floundered around a little bit on the Cuba topic. I think he did fine personally but I actually have been paying attention to the news and to people who haven't, his explanation, while sound, was a bit muddled.

The Empty Suit Billionaire candidate screamed over everyone's answers the entire debate and looked childish and unpresidential. His attacks against Sanders are also pretty shitty and he can't deliver them well.

Biden going after Steyer made sense but he's not really one to talk about African American representation, as his "positives" are just as numerous as his "negatives" in this regard and even though Steyer IS a Billionaire who spent like 2 years wasting his money just to get into this race, he actually has does a decent amount for African Americans with what he had.

Klobuchar was...there, I guess. The only reason she's even still in this race is because the first two states are 99% white people and she got third place in one of them. If even a single state that was more diverse was within the first 3 to report delegates, she'd have dropped out already. Literally the only thing I remember about her from the debate is her making some dumb point about her "Uncle Dick" owning a gun in a deer stand. What a thing to bring up in South Carolina lol.

And Steyer seems like too much of an actual nice person (Which shocks me due to how wealthy he is) to actually go after any candidate to any significant degree. In every debate he, at least twice, talks about how he agrees with another candidate's issue and then meanders around a point somebody else has made more succinctly. I DO appreciate how he seems to be the only one who flatout focuses on beating Trump consistently. Sanders and Warren do too, but often just in response to getting attacks from Pete the snake.

Finally, CBS and the DNC looked like a joke that can't pull off a debate with 3 people let alone 7. Their moderators framed questions 100% from a GOP mindset, they had no actual way to make candidates shut the fuck up (Even Warren, whom is my #1 pick, went on for WAY longer than she should have), and in general looked completely embarrassing.

The fact that you could buy tickets to the event essentially locked out attendance to wealthier individuals, as I don't know many people who can just casually drop 3 grand to heckle a debate. Also the fact that Bloombot ads were allowed to be played during commercial breaks is an absolute farce. Its shit like this that is 100% convincing Sanders supporters that the establishment is trying to rig the election against him. And part of me can see their point.

Everyone looked terrible and it was a shitshow.

[Omega10]

538 Current Polling Averages. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ry-d/national/

South Carolina:

Biden 31
Sanders 23
Steyer 13

everyone else < 10


National:

Sanders 28
Biden 16
Bloomberg 16
Warren 13
Pete 11

everyone else < 10

[eschatological]

I neither mentioned nor implied isolationism, but thank you for your ability to express a strawman. China (Corona handling ineptitude) and Africa (lol) are your examples to compel me to see your point of view? Oye.

Also, Trump eradicated the economically unfeasible NAFTA deal and replaced it with the USMCA, and made deals with both Canada and Mexico to the benefit of all. Are you angry that Obama was pathetic and ultimately useless regarding foreign policy and are lashing out as a result of his embarrassing ineptitude?

The USMCA was practically written by Democrats. All the shittiness that Republicans wanted was scrubbed out of the bill. Trump just signed it because he needed to say he did something in these first 4 years besides putting Kavanaugh and Gorsuch on the bench.

Obama crafted TPP, which, btw, was a better version of USMCA except it was with Asian countries which would have frozen China out to some extent, and kept them in check. Trump tossed it because it had Obama's name on it. Now those countries are all making trade deals with China.

[Orbitus]

Nice argument. To quote a VERY intelligent person, Charlie Kirk:

"Facts do not care about your feelings."

Please don't waste my time responding to my posts unless you wish to have an intelligent discussion.

Critical thinking indeed. Yikes.

The fact that you quoted this generation's Hitler Youth Recruiter, is FUCKING ASTOUNDING. And before you say I am being hyperbolic, they had Candace Owens under them that openly defended Hitler. They also have a HUGE racism problem in their college chapters.

So, for short, FUCK CHARLIE KIRK.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk