Mega-Thread: Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump

[Smitzelplix]

The strong stench of hyperpartisan House majority horseshit is finally waking up Independents.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...-for-democrats

Someone else posted this link before you a few days ago and not too long after that this happened.

There's been some erroneous posts in this thread about impeachment "nosediving" in the polls.

To the contrary, as per 538's impeachment tracker, impeachment took a huge upswing this week following last week's hearing. A big batch of polls from a variety of sources came in over the last two days, and notably show an average 4% spike. Republicans, as predicted, show basically no movement - but independents took a huge upturn, and Democrats a modest one.

Polls don't mean that much just yet, but it's important to battle the bullshit machine that seems to be the conservative base at every opportunity.

And really you're gloating about the impeachment losing popularity when it's at 48.9 according to the RCP link you posted earlier? So pathetic! Why don't you save your gloating for when/if the polls actually show a major shift in opposition, it'll save you from looking like a fool.

[Kaleredar]

Support for impeachment is now less than 50% and the trend continues downward. Looks like Dems jumped the shark on this one.

It's still higher than independant's support for Donald Trump, so...

And hell, as long as we're suddenly "believing" polls, Trump trails Biden, Bernie and Warren in those too.

[Molis]

A Mod can go absolutely nuts infracting people for actually continuing to be on topic, however that on topic discussion is damaging to Orange Leader but TJ can just clog up the thread with lies an misinformation.

Good times at MMO-Champ

[DocSavageFan]

So what exactly is unfair about it?

With Nixon and Clinton, impeachment proceedings were initiated and based on legitimate investigations using special prosecutors and law enforcement investigations. Impeachment proceedings with Trump were not initiated in this manner...there was no special prosecutor nor any Justice Department investigation of the matter.

The Nixon and Clinton impeachments were held in a bipartisan manner...and every effort was made to give the appearance of a fair and legitimate process. However, in contrast to the Nixon and Clinton hearings, Democrats are refusing to allow several witnesses to testify who's testimony may be favorable to Trump. They are also not letting Trump’s legal team cross-examine witnesses.

Although GOP members are given the opportunity to "cross-examine" witnesses, Democrats are interrupting and halting lines of questioning they don't particularly like. Democrats have unfairly framed every aspect of this horseshit "investigation" by magnifying only those aspects of the matter they wish to be magnified...and actively suppressing anything else that does not conform to their partisan narrative. This is not fair.

Democrats clearly aren't interested in due process or allowing an even-handed picture of circumstances revolving around this matter. It's now obvious that they want Trump impeached in the House by year-end....in their rush, they will not even wait until January to get testimony from several witnesses who have first hand knowledge....which is now possible with a recent court ruling. As such, it's now painfully clear that they don't support a legitimate investigation of the facts. We're dealing with a lynch mob mentality here. People aren't stupid...they're starting to see this sham for what it is and the poll numbers are reflecting it.

Bottom line...there is nothing that's even remotely fair about this process and it's in no way comparable to the professional way the Nixon and Clinton impeachments were handled. And those who are attempting to portray it as such are being dishonest as hell.

[Templar 331]

With Nixon and Clinton, impeachment proceedings were initiated and based on legitimate investigations using special prosecutors and law enforcement investigations. Impeachment proceedings with Trump were not initiated in this manner...there was no special prosecutor nor any Justice Department investigation of the matter.

1. It isn't a requirement that an impeachment proceeding start with an investigation.
2. AG Barr has been running interference for Trump since before the Muelller report was released.

The Nixon and Clinton impeachments were held in a bipartisan manner...and every effort was made to give the appearance of a fair and legitimate process. However, in contrast to the Nixon and Clinton hearings, Democrats are refusing to allow several witnesses to testify who's testimony may be favorable to Trump

1. Like I said before, Nunes has been spouting conspiracy shit the entire process.
2. Who has been denied testimony?

They are also not letting Trump’s legal team cross-examine witnesses.

This isn't a trial. Cross examination will happen in the Senate.

Although GOP members are given the opportunity to "cross-examine" witnesses, Democrats are interrupting and halting lines of questioning they don't particularly like. Democrats have unfairly framed every aspect of this horseshit "investigation" by magnifying only those aspects of the matter they wish to be magnified...and actively suppressing anything else that does not conform to their partisan narrative. This is not fair.

Again, Nunes....

Democrats clearly aren't interested in due process

This entire process is due process.

or allowing an even-handed picture of circumstances revolving around this matter.

It's not Congress's role to establish a scenario where Trump could be innocent. It's their role to investigate a breach of law.

It's now obvious that they want Trump impeached in the House by year-end....in their rush, they will not even wait until January to get testimony from several witnesses who have first hand knowledge....which is now possible with a recent court ruling.

You have several people who where in the room with Trump during the phone call. Do you know what would prove Trump's innocence? The transcript and recording of the phone call which Trump has refused to hand over.

As such, it's now painfully obvious that they don't support a legitimate investigation

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over those 10 counts of obstruction of Justice Trump has in regards to the Mueller investigation.

Bottom line...there is nothing that's even remotely fair about this process and it's in no way comparable to the professional way the Nixon and Clinton impeachments were handled. And those who are attempting to portray it as such are being dishonest as hell.

These proceeding have been nothing if not fair. Each Republican has had equal time to question each witness. Every committee that has anything to do with this has an equal number of Dems as Republicans.

Just because the Republicans can't do anything to prove Trump's innocence doesn't mean the Dem's are playing dirty.

[Tenlo]

@Templar331 you said it better than I could

I mean hell Doc if you're so concerned about fairness what do you think about Trump's guys literally ignoring subpoenas left and right?

This isn't a trial yet this is evidence gathering once it goes to Senate there will be a trial which will be a real sham cuz reps will tell not guilty the second it starts and save their Orange god

[Martymark]

Everyone knows the ending already so why bother watching?

Congress will party line vote to impeach.
Senate will party line vote to not impeach.
Trump will get re-elected.

[Zan15]

The strong stench of hyperpartisan House majority horseshit is finally waking up Independents.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...-for-democrats

Mostly because they know they super hyper partisan makeup of the senate makes this whole process almost worthless....since they very obviously vote party over law and county.

They have already come out and said no way to impeachment before they even look at the evidence, before there is even a trial...

pointing one finger while having 20 pointed back......

[Stormspellz]

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nearly every point here is simply wrong - no other way to say it is simply, deliberately wrong.

[Xeones]

Everyone knows the ending already so why bother watching?

Congress will party line vote to impeach.
Senate will party line vote to not impeach.
Trump will get re-elected.

Well you got two of three right. Third is possible., but I don't know how likely.

[Stormspellz]

Everyone knows the ending already so why bother watching?

Congress will party line vote to impeach.
Senate will party line vote to not impeach.
Trump will get re-elected.

If Trump gets re-elected (along down ballot run presidents typical get) America as we know it ends, it will be the beginning new age of authoritative plutocracy, China will become the unchallenged world power, there won't be a middle class of any kind, the pillaging of environment will go into hyper drive and there will be blood.

[Kaleredar]

Well you got two of three right. Third is possible., but I don't know how likely.

Too likely to casually stand by and trust that he’ll be defeated.

The impeachment inquiry is but one facet of bringing trump down. After the republicans have ignored all the damning testimony and the impeachment has formally ended, the democrats need to weaponize it.

[TexasRules]

Mostly because they know they super hyper partisan makeup of the senate makes this whole process almost worthless....since they very obviously vote party over law and county.

You state this as it is exclusive to one party. It's like when Clinton was up for impeachment, everyone knew what was going to happen, but they ran that train anyways.

[shimerra]

Am I allowed to smile at this? XD

The damned orange man is actually standing up TO china. Honk freaking Kong protesters actually asked him to get involved (lucky for everyone he didnt even try). America as you know will still be there after hes done being president, be that 2020 or 2024.

If you really find your country to be so weak as to be completely undone by 1 dude from new york, then you should have left long ago.

This type of rehtoric is tiresome and pointless. There is PLENTY to critisice the orange man on but democrats this time around decided that they didnt want to run on anything other than alarmism.

I have no magic ball and I really dont know if he'll win but come 2020 its the democrats that are poised to cause trouble.

He damn near bent the knee when China pressured him to veto the resolution congress passed, only didn't because it was veto proof, and he's been getting reemed in the trade talks because he's an incompetent moron. I don't see much standing up to them just a baby in way over his head trying to be a big boy on the geo political stage.

[Zan15]

You state this as it is exclusive to one party. It's like when Clinton was up for impeachment, everyone knew what was going to happen, but they ran that train anyways.

Never said it was. Right now it is. In past it has.

Clinton should have been impeached, but he should not have even been up for impeachment for getting a blow job/consenting sexual relationship. It was a huge perjury trap.

Trump basically learned from Clinton what not to do, testify or speak to anyone in any official manner.

Clintons impeachment was a toss up, and without the 10 republicans it would have been a guilty...though still a few short.....but they voted across party lines.

As of today its 99.9% chance senate votes on party lines

[Stormspellz]

Am I allowed to smile at this? XD

The damned orange man is actually standing up TO china. Honk freaking Kong protesters actually asked him to get involved (lucky for everyone he didnt even try). America as you know will still be there after hes done being president, be that 2020 or 2024.

If you really find your country to be so weak as to be completely undone by 1 dude from new york, then you should have left long ago.

This type of rehtoric is tiresome and pointless. There is PLENTY to critisice the orange man on but democrats this time around decided that they didnt want to run on anything other than alarmism.

I have no magic ball and I really dont know if he'll win but come 2020 its the democrats that are poised to cause trouble.

The orange man has exasperated the china problem, first with abandoning the TPP in the middle of its development, allowing China a strangle hold on new foreign markets (along with standard Trump corruption like Ivanka's long list of China patents), and most recently pushing a vital regional ally that is South Korea into China's arms.

This rhetoric reasonable conclusion of anyone who's payed attention to history, reinforced by Trump's actions in his first term. It isn't "just one dude" its one of two major political parties of the country. Republicans all have bowed down to Trump, forsaken their oaths of office and to the constitution in name of greed and power. Yesterday it was ignoring rules and precedent, today its ignoring laws like legal subpoenas, day after tomorrow its the constitution itself.

[Fugus]

Everyone knows the ending already so why bother watching?

Congress will party line vote to impeach.
Senate will party line vote to not impeach.
Trump will get re-elected.

Congress will vote party line to impeach.

Senate will PROBABLY vote party line not to impeach but will still have to stick their names out for all time for ignoring this behavior and sets the precedence that any future president can ignore it as well.

But to be honest, Trump could butt rape a 12 year old boy on a live webstream in front of an open window in full public view and most of his supporters would still back him calling it fake news so long as he tells them that as they are pretty well immune to facts at this point.

As for Trump getting elected, Trump lost the last election by something like 2.9 million votes and has done nothing but run his voters off and the farmers, coal people and all are hurt by him as well as his bigger supporters.

So the odds of him LEGITIMATELY winning is very slim but we also have the GOP blocking every bill they can to secure our election while Trump begs for other countries to interfere and Moscow Mitch The Bitch McConnell is actively getting hundreds of millions of dollars in investments into his state from Russian Oligarchs. So they odds of them actively trying to cheat and/or cover up cheating from others is very high this time around.

[Shadowferal]

BREAKING NEWS: Judge denies DOJ’s motion to stay her ruling ordering former WH Counsel Don McGahn to testify. Details to come.

[Dontrike]

The strong stench of hyperpartisan House majority horseshit is finally waking up Independents.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...-for-democrats

You know Republicans brought forth their own witnesses, right? Just because those witnesses fucked their defense doesn't mean it's being partisan.

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Am I allowed to smile at this? XD

The damned orange man is actually standing up TO china.

And he's been failing at it every single turn because the man knows near nothing about anything in regards to foreign policy, deal making, or general intelligence.

[Zaydin]

Am I allowed to smile at this? XD

The damned orange man is actually standing up TO china. Honk freaking Kong protesters actually asked him to get involved (lucky for everyone he didnt even try). America as you know will still be there after hes done being president, be that 2020 or 2024.

If you really find your country to be so weak as to be completely undone by 1 dude from new york, then you should have left long ago.

This type of rehtoric is tiresome and pointless. There is PLENTY to critisice the orange man on but democrats this time around decided that they didnt want to run on anything other than alarmism.

I have no magic ball and I really dont know if he'll win but come 2020 its the democrats that are poised to cause trouble.

You do realize Trump promised Xi Jingping back in June he'd ignore the Hong Kong protests, right? The only reason he signed that bill about Hong Kong was that it passed Congress with overwhelming veto proof majorities and it was explained to him that if he followed through with his veto threat he would jsut get overridden and it would become law anyways.

Trump is losing the trade war and China knows it. All China has to do to win is to outlast Trump.