Mega-Thread: Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump

[mvaliz]

Saying shit like this is likely to get people to take you less seriously.

Exactly. The idea of Republicans finding a way of "curing cancer" is like claiming a Neo-Nazi will find a way to bring world peace.

...now that I wrote it that way, it's probably the way they would do it! They'd probably legalize euthanasia of sick people to save on expenses! >_<

[Benggaul]

If the Republicans came up with a way to cure cancer in 5 years wouldn't cost the taxpayer any money and was great for the environment. Democrats would say that their idea is bad simply because the Republicans are pushing it. And vice versa.

Easily refuted bullshit: McCain, a Republican, voted against repealing Obamacare and was given respect for doing so by the Democrats despite being on opposite sides of most other issues.

If Trump somehow came up with a cure for cancer through some vision he received in his dementia-addled dreams I'd be very grateful for it and would be happy to see it implemented immediately to help all those suffering from it. It wouldn't, however, erase the fact that he's a fucking narcissistic asshole who only cares for himself.

[beanman12345]

Easily refuted bullshit: McCain, a Republican, voted against repealing Obamacare and was given respect for doing so by the Democrats despite being on opposite sides of most other issues.

If Trump somehow came up with a cure for cancer through some vision he received in his dementia-addled dreams I'd be very grateful for it and would be happy to see it implemented immediately to help all those suffering from it. It wouldn't, however, erase the fact that he's a fucking narcissistic asshole who only cares for himself.

Nobody knows cancer like Trump. He's the bestest at it.

[Stormspellz]

How does Trump being good or bad effect the fact that a large section of American politics boils down to the other side is bad just simply because its the other side. Without any thought as to what the best solution is to the problem.

If the Republicans came up with a way to cure cancer in 5 years wouldn't cost the taxpayer any money and was great for the environment. Democrats would say that their idea is bad simply because the Republicans are pushing it. And vice versa.

simply, completely wrong. No other way around it, you are just flat wrong.

[Endus]

How does Trump being good or bad effect the fact that a large section of American politics boils down to the other side is bad just simply because its the other side. Without any thought as to what the best solution is to the problem.

If the Republicans came up with a way to cure cancer in 5 years wouldn't cost the taxpayer any money and was great for the environment. Democrats would say that their idea is bad simply because the Republicans are pushing it. And vice versa.

You're literally making this shit up based on absolutely nothing whatsoever, to push a meritless "both sides" bit of propaganda.

Rejecting Republicans points of view on things for ideological reasons does not mean that if Republicans passed a "puppies are cute" bill, that Democrats would suddenly vote against puppies being cute.

We have one party in the USA that has stated they will oppose anything, regardless of merit, solely on partisan grounds. And that party is not the Democrats. Pretending that they're both the same in this is . . . just lying.

[Stormspellz]

so you guys are using your feels as evidence then?

yes the "feels" of

-tax fraud
-numerous cases of him ripping off contractors
-his numerous failed business, the "stable genius" starts a mortgage company right before the housing crash GENIUS! and how do you bankrupt a casino?
-stealing from charities
-central park 5
-birthism and other conspiracy peddling
- unending lying

but its all "feels"

[draynay]

I don't see how a person can show up in an event thread 600+ pages in, claim its all fake, and be given the time of day by anyone.

[tyrlaan]

I don't see how a person can show up in an event thread 600+ pages in, claim its all fake, and be given the time of day by anyone.

Because as rampant as the bad faith posters are, and as amazing it is they're allowed to persist on these forums, people can't fucking help themselves and need to dive into the argument anyway.

[Logwyn]

You're literally making this shit up based on absolutely nothing whatsoever, to push a meritless "both sides" bit of propaganda.

Rejecting Republicans points of view on things for ideological reasons does not mean that if Republicans passed a "puppies are cute" bill, that Democrats would suddenly vote against puppies being cute.

We have one party in the USA that has stated they will oppose anything, regardless of merit, solely on partisan grounds. And that party is not the Democrats. Pretending that they're both the same in this is . . . just lying.

Burry your head in the sand if you will.

[Noxx79]

Burry your head in the sand if you will.

The fact that bipartisan bills are still passing congress prove you wrong. Bury your head in the sand.

And this is off topic.

[Noxx79]

They're passing the house... not sure about the Senate though. Last time I checked McConnell is doing everything he can to block any legislation that the House sends his way.

There still stuff that is passing the senate, not as much (or enough) but it seems to be pointing to “one side” rather than “BoTh SiDeS” garbage.

https://www.congress.gov/public-laws/116th-congress

There aren’t 0 laws passing the senate.

Any bipartisan bill proves logwyn wrong.

[Themius]

There still stuff that is passing the senate, not as much (or enough) but it seems to be pointing to “one side” rather than “BoTh SiDeS” garbage.

https://www.congress.gov/public-laws/116th-congress

There aren’t 0 laws passing the senate.

Any bipartisan bill proves logwyn wrong.

But it is one side...

And there are a few bills that have near 100% bipartisan votes that are sitting...

[Dontrike]

How does Trump being good or bad effect the fact that a large section of American politics boils down to the other side is bad just simply because its the other side. Without any thought as to what the best solution is to the problem.

If the Republicans came up with a way to cure cancer in 5 years wouldn't cost the taxpayer any money and was great for the environment. Democrats would say that their idea is bad simply because the Republicans are pushing it. And vice versa.

Because if you are trying to state that supporting Trump doesn't actually mean you're a Trump supporter and that at the same time that one side is bad/good then you'll have to explain why supporting Trump is the correct thing and not come up with some hypothetical.

[Dacien]

We have one party in the USA that has stated they will oppose anything, regardless of merit, solely on partisan grounds.

I'm interested to see what the basis is for this statement. I'm not doubting you, I would just like to read the source material you relied on. If you don't mind.

[Masark]

I'm interested to see what the basis is for this statement.

https://www.newsweek.com/democratic-...l-desk-1478047

[Captain N]

https://www.newsweek.com/democratic-...l-desk-1478047

Not only was that article informative, but seeing 85% disapprove/strongly disapprove on the performance of the Senate poll was a nice touch too.

[Dacien]

https://www.newsweek.com/democratic-...l-desk-1478047

Thanks.

Okay so, here's the description of the bills:

"...voter registration, background checks for firearm sales, domestic violence, climate change, minimum wage increases and other issues."

And here was the statement about McConnell: "Back in September, McConnell promised to be a "grim reaper" to any and all progressive legislation." And I found this from CBS, quote from McConnell: "If I'm still the majority leader of the Senate after next year, none of those things are going to pass the Senate. They won't even be voted on. So think of me as the Grim Reaper: the guy who is going to make sure that socialism doesn't land on the president's desk."

So looking at a few of those bill categories, and his reference to making sure "socialism doesn't land on the president's desk", it seems like ideology. That's a little different than "They're Democrats, therefore no."

This article also further frames the statements by McConnell as an attack on what he saw as far left bills, progressivism or "socialism" as McConnell called it, for example the Green New Deal. It sounds like ideological pushback, not refusal on partisan grounds.

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And also, that's how politics works. As McConnell himself has said in the past, "Elections have consequences." They can work together if the climate is right for bipartisan support, but it's anything but right now. And the people have elected a Republican Senate and the Republican Senate Majority Leader is pushing back on progressive bills. When the next Democratic Senate is control, voted in by the people, they will pursue a political strategy that favors the left wing. And if the public doesn't like any of it at any time, they get a chance to vote.

[Blur4stuff]

Republican control highlights a serious flaw with representation. McConnell and republicans aren't actually representing a majority of voters despite controlling the senate. Same goes for the presidency and even the house prior to 2018 which is still giving republicans more representation than they earned.

They are preventing beneficial legislation from moving forward without having the will of the people behind them.

[Shadowferal]

If the Republicans came up with a way to cure cancer in 5 years wouldn't cost the taxpayer any money and was great for the environment. Democrats would say that their idea is bad simply because the Republicans are pushing it. And vice versa.

"What if" statements never reflect reality otherwise I'd love to take that bet

But I'll never vote GOP for one reason; they always cater to the racist voter. Which reflects on their voter base which tends to be uneducated.

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2016 I would have voted the same way I did then. For neither.

Worked well for you didn't it?

[Blur4stuff]

Curing cancer? When did republicans have a solution for any problem at all?