Mega-Thread: Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump

[dproject]

Democrats are crying babies. They know they have lost 2020, so they are crying.
Yeah, The Do Nothing but Whine and Complain Party.


Infracted.

[cubby]

Removal will probably fail and then it's just a matter of highlighting that corrupt Republicans are keeping a criminal in the White House.

That's how I see playing out on a practical level. House votes to Impeach and Senate fails to convict.

[nonameelf]

Democrats are crying babies. They know they have lost 2020, so they are crying.
Yeah, The Do Nothing but Whine and Complain Party.

They lost 2020 because Trump is underwater in all the polls in the battleground states?

Are there any Trumpers that aren't liars on this forum?

[Xyonai]

Democrats are crying babies. They know they have lost 2020, so they are crying.
Yeah, The Do Nothing but Whine and Complain Party.

Oh bless your heart.

[szechuan]

They lost 2020 because Trump is underwater in all the polls in the battleground states?

Are there any Trumpers that aren't liars on this forum?

Trumpers are going to have a rude awakening when he loses or gets impeached.

[PACOX]

MAGA Hats need to be reminded that their guy lost the popularity contest to a nerd and has never been viewed as favorable to the majority of the US. The only people who like him are the 1% who can profit off him or a 30% of the population who don't know any better. The UN laughed in his face. He isn't taken seriously by his own administration.

You guys voted for a clown. A clown that would trade you for foreign interest and a golf game. Whats the term the MAGA Hats love to use? 'Cucked'?

[Orbitus]

Democrats are crying babies. They know they have lost 2020, so they are crying.
Yeah, The Do Nothing but Whine and Complain Party.

It is cute you think they are going to lose. And it is not surprising you are cheering on a damn traitor.

Oh, and for people that apparently "doing nothing but whine and complain" they still have actually gotten about 150+ bills passed in the house that Moscow Mitch won't touch.

[Somewhatconcerned]

if this is true that he would be sure to lose in 2020 anyway, why bother resorting to impeaching him? the fact is the dems are still not sure any of their preferred candidates are good enough to beat him. Andrew Yang would be the best person to take him on in my opinion (because he doesn't have anything Trump can attack and would also not stoop to trying to outsmear him), but then again the DNC isn't trying to giving him the chance to represent the party.

I dunno, I don't think the Dems have anyone this year quite as unpopular as Hillary was. They just need to focus on running a boring, yet effective campaign. Avoid getting into the mud with Trump. Visit and campaign in the rust belt.

I hope the candidate is Warren, and while I used to think the Native American thing would sink her, I think she's owned up it and it's pretty small in comparison to her opponent.

[Kaleredar]

I hope the candidate is Warren, and while I used to think the Native American thing would sink her, I think she's owned up it and it's pretty small in comparison to her opponent.

I'm pretty sure it's going to be Biden.

He's safe. He's got recognition. He's shedding the muck Trump and his ilk are slinging at him without issue. They're afraid of him.

While I'm sure Warren would be a good president, I think she could come off as too much of an ideological, head-in-the-clouds candidate for many people. Enough so, at least, that people might see Trump as a more "safe" pick.

Warren is the kind, caring presidential candidate; one focused on details and good feelings that Trump will just bullshit, obfuscate and denounce until she seems weak and indecisive.

Biden is the foot-to-Trump's-throat presidential candidate that wont take any bullshit from him (remember how he laughed Paul Ryan out of the vice presidential debates back in 2012?) I think that has a better chance of winning the day.

And I consider getting Trump out of the white house priority number one, above anything else. The impeachment proceedings are important, and they most certainly should move forward. But while I'd love to be surprised, I have very little faith that they'll wind up in him actually being removed from office.

[Dontrike]

Democrats are crying babies. They know they have lost 2020, so they are crying.
Yeah, The Do Nothing but Whine and Complain Party.

They do so much nothing that Trump and you complain when they do something. Hmm, it's almost like it's stupid.

Sounds like Trump and Trumpsters are crying when they know they backed a criminal. By the way do you know you backed a criminal?

[Draco-Onis]

I'm pretty sure it's going to be Biden.

He's safe. He's got recognition. He's shedding the muck Trump and his ilk are slinging at him without issue. They're afraid of him.

While I'm sure Warren would be a good president, I think she could come off as too much of an ideological, head-in-the-clouds candidate for many people. Enough so, at least, that people might see Trump as a more "safe" pick.

Warren is the kind, caring presidential candidate; one focused on details and good feelings that Trump will just bullshit, obfuscate and denounce until she seems weak and indecisive.

Biden is the foot-to-Trump's-throat presidential candidate that wont take any bullshit from him (remember how he laughed Paul Ryan out of the vice presidential debates back in 2012?) I think that has a better chance of winning the day.

And I consider getting Trump out of the white house priority number one, above anything else. The impeachment proceedings are important, and they most certainly should move forward. But while I'd love to be surprised, I have very little faith that they'll wind up in him actually being removed from office.

I don't know man I just don't think Biden has it in him and we are looking at Hillary 2.0, this week was when I thought I would be proven wrong but that reinforced that. He reacted like a choreographed doll waiting for the winds to call for impeachment after Trump goes after his son. Joe Biden is too much of a political animal with no passion Warren has that passion, also he seems allergic to rallies, town halls and more than happy to do fundraisers.

[Kaleredar]

I don't know man I just don't think Biden has it in him and we are looking at Hillary 2.0, this week was when I thought I would be proven wrong but that reinforced that. He reacted like a choreographed doll waiting for the winds to call for impeachment after Trump goes after his son. Joe Biden is too much of a political animal with no passion Warren has that passion, also he seems allergic to rallies, town halls and more than happy to do fundraisers.

And it's that passion that I fear will turn people away. Or, more accurately, be used to turn people away.

Trump will start slinging "she wants to take your guns," "she wants to install socialism," "she wants free and open borders!" because she's a progressive candidate that's big on ideas. It's bullshit, obviously, but that's enough to cause doubt in people's minds. The narrative becomes one of "well people are saying all of this bad stuff about Trump, but this Warren lady seems really far-out there... I guess I didn't personally have my life go to hell when Trump was president so whatever he did couldn't have been that bad, right? Especially compared to this person they're telling me is a weirdo socialist!"

He can't really fling that kind of speculative nonsense at Biden and make him out to be some sort of socialist boogeyman with his head in the clouds that would put voters off. I'll agree that Biden needs to stop resting on his laurels and his "well I was Vice President under that cool president you guys liked" as a campaign strategy. But personality wise, and the image he has in the public? I feel it is much more solid and, frankly, palatable to more people than Warren or Sanders.


Make no mistake, when it comes to election day I'm supporting whichever democrat is running against Trump; Warren, Biden, Sanders, whoever. I think Warren and Sanders would make fine presidents. But as I said it's about defeating Trump at this point in time. No amount of "well they're not progressive enough, I'm just not going to vote..." is worth it. Because frankly the WORST possible thing for the country and the world, especially anyone truly wanting to push a progressive agenda, is to kick the Trump can down the road for another four years. The message that sends to other countries, the damage it allows Trump to do legally and long term, and frankly, what it means America stands for in respects to accountability, decorum, and the rule of law, is far, FAR too damaging to "wait for the perfect democratic candidate." He needs to go as soon as possible, not when "a truly beneficent and progressive opponent rises." The dregs of humanity Trump has scraped up will have become dangerously empowered at that point.

[Draco-Onis]

And it's that passion that I fear will turn people away. Or, more accurately, be used to turn people away.

Trump will start slinging "she wants to take your guns," "she wants to install socialism," "she wants free and open borders!" because she's a progressive candidate that's big on ideas. It's bullshit, obviously, but that's enough to cause doubt in people's minds. The narrative becomes one of "well people are saying all of this bad stuff about Trump, but this Warren lady seems really far-out there... I guess I didn't personally have my life go to hell when Trump was president so whatever he did couldn't have been that bad, right? Especially compared to this person they're telling me is a weirdo socialist!"

He can't really fling that kind of speculative nonsense at Biden and make him out to be some sort of socialist boogeyman with his head in the clouds that would put voters off. I'll agree that Biden needs to stop resting on his laurels and his "well I was Vice President under that cool president you guys liked" as a campaign strategy. But personality wise, and the image he has in the public? I feel it is much more solid and, frankly, palatable to more people than Warren or Sanders.


Make no mistake, when it comes to election day I'm supporting whichever democrat is running against Trump; Warren, Biden, Sanders, whoever. I think Warren and Sanders would make fine presidents. But as I said it's about defeating Trump at this point in time. No amount of "well they're not progressive enough, I'm just not going to vote..." is worth it. Because frankly the WORST possible thing for the country and the world, especially anyone truly wanting to push a progressive agenda, is to kick the Trump can down the road for another four years. The message that sends to other countries, the damage it allows Trump to do legally and long term, and frankly, what it means America stands for in respects to accountability, decorum, and the rule of law, is far, FAR too damaging to "wait for the perfect democratic candidate." He needs to go as soon as possible, not when "a truly beneficent and progressive opponent rises." The dregs of humanity Trump has scraped up will have become dangerously empowered at that point.

I think you overestimate the platform Trump has most people are sick of it and he uses the same lines aside from his cult it will have very little effect it will all come down to the candidate and his message. The Joe Biden we have now is the same we have in the general his message is Remember Obama I am just like him but white not really going to do much. If Biden wins all we can hope for is that Trump keeps defeating himself but he is fighting for his life and willing to do anything to win I would not count him out.

I am in the same boat as you I will vote for whoever wins but Biden is an long time politician with a lot of skeletons and bad choices on his record not to mention he has run for president several times there was a reason he failed to win. I just think we're just so scared of Trump that we are going for the sure thing but that sure thing will get clobbered Biden is sailing on name alone without it he would not win period that's not a good thing.

[Machismo]

Democrats are crying babies. They know they have lost 2020, so they are crying.
Yeah, The Do Nothing but Whine and Complain Party.

Well, since you seem to be doing exactly that, does this mean you are admitting to being a Democrat?

[minteK917]

The best part about all this is you have woke independant like Zenkai posting about Canada all day. I still remember his thread about Trudeau SNC Lavallin thing. OMG guys, Trudeau is corrupt! He dared try to convince someone that putting 50000 jobs in jeopardy because leadership was corrupt was ground for thinking it over carefully! The humanity! Trump literally hold money hostage 100% for personal gain, well you know mabye he can find corruption guys!

[Hobb]

What's going to happen is they will try to impeach Trump, fail and that will seal the deal for his next term. That will be what he runs on, the failed attempt at impeachment, his base will eat it up plus Democrats don't have a frontrunner worth anything.

Except reality says otherwise.

Polls coming out since the Ukraine story broke show a slow but steady increase in the public wanting Trump impeached.

As of last Friday 47% want Trump to be impeached, 41% do not want Trump impeached, and 11% are undecided.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...peaching-trump

And over 60% of the public sees Trump's call to the Ukraine as a serious problem.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...s-with-ukraine

So it really does bring up the question of will the GOP cut Trump loose and try to salvage what they can out of the 2020 election.

[minteK917]

Except reality says otherwise.

Polls coming out since the Ukraine story broke show a slow but steady increase in the public wanting Trump impeached.

As of last Friday 47% want Trump to be impeached, 41% do not want Trump impeached, and 11% are undecided.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...peaching-trump

And over 60% of the public sees Trump's call to the Ukraine as a serious problem.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...s-with-ukraine

So it really does bring up the question of will the GOP cut Trump loose and try to salvage what they can out of the 2020 election.

Unless the it reach 55+%, i dont see them cutting him loose. Its not like Trump won popular votes either.

[Draco-Onis]

Except reality says otherwise.

Polls coming out since the Ukraine story broke show a slow but steady increase in the public wanting Trump impeached.

As of last Friday 47% want Trump to be impeached, 41% do not want Trump impeached, and 11% are undecided.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...peaching-trump

And over 60% of the public sees Trump's call to the Ukraine as a serious problem.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...s-with-ukraine

So it really does bring up the question of will the GOP cut Trump loose and try to salvage what they can out of the 2020 election.

The key poll is his approval rating among republicans which remains at 80-90%, impeachment can go 60% plus and it wouldn't matter because the fear is that of a primary. That said though if things get that bad then the GOP risks losing seats in swing states that might be enough of a risk for some of them to find their balls.

[Tenlo]

Democrats are crying babies. They know they have lost 2020, so they are crying.
Yeah, The Do Nothing but Whine and Complain Party.

Just because I've never gotten an answer from a trumper yet.

If impeachment is going to be such a boon the GOP and ensure Trump's victory in 2020 why all the fighting over it? They should be saying "whelp nothing's there but go ahead boys" and sitting back and relaxing as 2020 would be easy pickings then.

[Grapemask]

The key poll is his approval rating among republicans which remains at 80-90%, impeachment can go 60% plus and it wouldn't matter because the fear is that of a primary. That said though if things get that bad then the GOP risks losing seats in swing states that might be enough of a risk for some of them to find their balls.

Yeah, the big thing here is that while Republican support of impeachment has grown dramatically, most of these impeachment polls include the caveat "if it can be proven." Everyone says, "Oh yeah, if you can prove he did the bad thing, fuck that guy!"

But then, the issue is that every one of those conservatives has concocted a reasoning system for why nothing will ever reach the threshold needed for "proof." It can't be proof reported by the fake news media. It has to be physical proof. It has to be delivered by a Republican, because evil liberals are all liars working with the Deep State. And if it's delivered by a Republican, maybe that guy's also with the Deep State, or worse, a RINO!