Mega-Thread: Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump

[Trunksee]

Yea im not trying to derail. Just trying to explain the view point from the other side. I have admitted what he did was corrupt and am more explaining how he is still supported afterward.

[Endus]

The left has gone so far left socially (not socialism) with this civil rights movement

This entire issue boils down very simply.

Do you think some group(s) of people should be marginalized/oppressed/abused for who they are? (note that this is different from "how they choose to act/what they choose to say.)

If "no", you're apparently "far left socially". Because that's the whole "social justice" movement; "maybe don't be an asshole to people because you're prejudiced against them." That's it. That's the whole thing. I'm struggling to figure out how that's remotely an extreme point of view.

[Trunksee]

Being logically consistent, and against racism and corruption is illogical?

Nah.

Don't blame others, for you choosing to support utter trash, even though you admitted he's a corrupt racist. Take some personal responsibility

You know he's guilty, I know he's guilty. Only one of us cares.

Exactly and your view points wont even be remotely represented if the democrats win the election with as many SCOTUS on their way out in the next few years so its illogical not to vote for the candidate closest to your views who has a chance to win is my point. To ignore the fact that your views will never be fully represented and to just hold onto that is illogical. You basically don't exist politically if you hold that line.

[beanman12345]

So now that's not logical. That's just you needing to feel good about yourself. I don't feel good about myself supporting him but the other side is just so much worse to me. This is what a lot of you don't get. We are so against the other side that we are willing to put up with this. How does that sound. The left has gone so far left socially (not socialism) with this civil rights movement and the anti 2A they have pushed the right into supporting this guy. How sad is that.

So you are a bigot? Otherwise explain how they've got too far with civil rights movement.

[GreenJesus]

Impeachment needed to be done, it was the right thing to do.

However, to your point, the Democrats are looking better now than before. There are now 5-7 GOP Senators who are vulnerable in the upcoming election, including, if we're to believe polls, Graham and McConnell.

Plus, Trump isn't unscathed - independent undecideds get to see more of his villainy. Depending on how the Impeachment Trial ends, we could see a nice win for Democrats going into the 2020 election cycle.

Plus, there is still all the Parnas information to investigate by the House.

The only downside of this impeachment trial is that primary candidates in the senate aren't able to go campaign while Biden is free to go around the country. Although that might be a downside for him since the more he opens his mouth the more he loses support. The problem is anyone who watches Fox News is getting a completely different story surrounding this impeachment process. Although CNN is fake news, Fox is definitely worse.

[Edge-]

https://lawandcrime.com/impeachment/...ower-question/

And Rand Paul tried to get the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States to out the alleged whistleblower during his question.

Chief Justice Roberts, thankfully, declined to do so.

And Rand Paul stormed out for a pathetic temper tantrum.

[Trunksee]

This entire issue boils down very simply.

Do you think some group(s) of people should be marginalized/oppressed/abused for who they are? (note that this is different from "how they choose to act/what they choose to say.)

If "no", you're apparently "far left socially". Because that's the whole "social justice" movement; "maybe don't be an asshole to people because you're prejudiced against them." That's it. That's the whole thing. I'm struggling to figure out how that's remotely an extreme point of view.

So me not wanting grown men in the same bathroom as my 7 year old daughter is prejudice. Not wanting my daughter exposed to people who I deem sick to think they are a different gender male or female is abusive? To believe I have the right to defend my home from any intruder is sick. Id rather be prejudice then I guess.


Infracted.

[Ripster42]

If "no", you're apparently "far left socially". Because that's the whole "social justice" movement; "maybe don't be an asshole to people because you're prejudiced against them." That's it. That's the whole thing. I'm struggling to figure out how that's remotely an extreme point of view.

While I agree with you, the answer that user would give to that question leads to a discussion outside the bounds of this forum.

[Trunksee]

https://lawandcrime.com/impeachment/...ower-question/

And Rand Paul tried to get the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States to out the alleged whistleblower during his question.

Chief Justice Roberts, thankfully, declined to do so.

And Rand Paul stormed out for a pathetic temper tantrum.

Was a sad display. I still don't get what some of these republicans think they will get out of naming the whistleblower other than to smear them.

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While I agree with you, the answer that user would give to that question leads to a discussion outside the bounds of this forum.

Yea this is getting off topic ill let it go so I don't get banned again.

[Edge-]

Was a sad display. I still don't get what some of these republicans think they will get out of naming the whistleblower other than to smear them.

That's the whole point, dude. If you've been paying attention, their quest to out the whistleblower was purely a part of their concerted, pathetic efforts to undermine the credibility of the whistleblower.

Because party and power over country, which is a view you've expressed in this very thread.

[Eviscero]

The left has gone so far left socially (not socialism) with this civil rights movement and the anti 2A they have pushed the right into supporting this guy. How sad is that.

You heard it here folks: pushing for civil rights and background checks has pushed the right into supporting Trump...

Because it's not possible to be a moderate anymore? You have to go all in on Trump because some people on the left also have extreme views? Sounds like an excuse to justify what you have felt and wanted all along.

[Machismo]

Exactly and your view points wont even be remotely represented if the democrats win the election with as many SCOTUS on their way out in the next few years so its illogical not to vote for the candidate closest to your views who has a chance to win is my point. To ignore the fact that your views will never be fully represented and to just hold onto that is illogical. You basically don't exist politically if you hold that line.

My view points aren't even being remotely addressed by the national socialists in office right now. My views are about opposing racism and corruption. Trump is further from my conservative views than maybe even Bernie Sanders is.

That's the part you don't seem to get. Almost no part of trump aligns with my small-government conservative beliefs.

Oh, and he's guilty as shit, so there's that. Even if his views did align with mine, he's a crooked piece of shit, and should be impeached.

[Edge-]

The left has gone so far left socially (not socialism) with this civil rights movement

So like...equal rights is...bad? I'm confused here.

[Machismo]

So like...equal rights is...bad? I'm confused here.

That's the gist I'm getting, by the way.

[beanman12345]

So me not wanting grown men in the same bathroom as my 7 year old daughter is prejudice. Not wanting my daughter exposed to people who I deem sick to think they are a different gender male or female is abusive? To believe I have the right to defend my home from any intruder is sick. Id rather be prejudice then I guess.

So prejudice people support a prejudiced president. That's your whole argument. guess what? we've known this for years now.

[Trunksee]

That's the whole point, dude. If you've been paying attention, their quest to out the whistleblower was purely a part of their concerted, pathetic efforts to undermine the credibility of the whistleblower.

Because party and power over country, which is a view you've expressed in this very thread.

No I totally get it, its just a dumb strategy. They should just stay on the Biden was corrupt band wagon and try to bury him instead of looking stupid. Make it a tit for tat.

[Eviscero]

So me not wanting grown men in the same bathroom as my 7 year old daughter is prejudice. Not wanting my daughter exposed to people who I deem sick to think they are a different gender male or female is abusive? To believe I have the right to defend my home from any intruder is sick. Id rather be prejudice then I guess.

None of this is happening! Stop watching that fear mongering Fox news bullshit. It's corrupting your brain. No one is coming for your guns, no one is forcing your 7 y/o to pee in front of a grown man ffs. Also, we live in a free society, people that are different than you are allowed to exist, deal with it. If you don't want your child exposed to anything other than what you deem acceptable you're going to need to move to the middle of nowhere and hunker down in your end-times survival bunker (if you aren't already). Make your little safe space, raise your children to hate and perpetuate your sad existence in isolation. Otherwise quit being a snowflake and deal with life in a free society.

You're free to believe trans people are "sick" (curious choice of words since I imagine you have empathy for people that are sick /struggling, but 0 for th we folks .. good Christian you are) just like I'm free to believe you haven't pleasured a woman in your entire life.

[Belize]

No I totally get it, its just a dumb strategy. They should just stay on the Biden was corrupt band wagon and try to bury him instead of looking stupid. Make it a tit for tat.

You mean harp on the non-corrupt thing Biden did, that multiple current GOP Senators signed off on?

That's your tit-for-tat?

How this for TfT, let's ask foreign countries to hack Trump's emails and release dirt on him. What's your opinion of that?

[Edge-]

No I totally get it, its just a dumb strategy. They should just stay on the Biden was corrupt band wagon and try to bury him instead of looking stupid. Make it a tit for tat.

So they should stick with a completely dishonest narrative?

[Trunksee]

You mean harp on the non-corrupt thing Biden did, that multiple current GOP Senators signed off on?

That's your tit-for-tat?

How this for TfT, let's ask foreign countries to hack Trump's emails and release dirt on him. What's your opinion of that?

There was dirt in those emails though were there not? Hillary had a few demons in that closet of hers. If Trumps emails come out fine im all good with that. The more info on a candidate the better. But I don't think your going to find much he hasn't already made public as he cant keep his mouth shut about anything.