If you came here to be annoying, its working.You should read posts you reply to. Like i said in my post that you quoted, the discussion point is clear -the majority of "classic players" in this thread believe that the appropriate response to bad behavior in game is to replicate that bad behavior and encourage others to do the same. This seems to go against the really strong community that was yapped on about for months where anyone who behaved poorly in any way was removed from groups IMMEDIATELY, kicked from guilds, unable to ever find a guild again, and often chased off the server altogether.