Is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez an actual contender?

[Orbitus]

Wishy washy? LOVE how you gloss over the details.

You ignore the fact that he's had a known history of failed businesses
You ignore the fact that he's had a bad reputation for not paying his debts
You ignore the fact that his credit is so abysmal literally no American banks lend to him anymore
You ignore the fact that he's had a history of racism going back to the Central Park 5

But we're wishy washy because we support a woman who supported herself tending bar?

And you tell us you're an "woke independent"?

OKAY.

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PFFFFFFFFFFFFFT

That's the funniest thing you said.

Continue defending Trump while claiming you don't care for liars and idiots. And don't pull this "independent" bullshit. You're always ready to swing for Trump, even if you're clever enough to not say it directly.

His history of racism goes back further than that. It was the 70s during the Nixon administration when he wouldn't rent to black people, got sued twice and lost both times. Think the Central Park 5 was 1989. And he is still harping about how he was supposedly right, even though DNA evidence exonerated them.

[Cthulhu 2020]

You know that's normal for people who start and run businesses, right? It's trial and error and all you do is declare bankruptcy for that business and keep starting more to see what sticks. I don't think it's as embarrassing as you think it is.

The trouble is he bankrupted multiple casinos even deep into his business career.

Also, for some reason, people think only bankruptcy is indicative of failure. Bankruptcy was a way for Trump to keep his businesses without being beholden to his debts. Trump has had over 100 brands. Trump steaks, Trump vodka, etc. Nearly all of them have FAILED miserably. They ate the losses and just closed down. Didn't declare bankruptcy, but failed.

When someone fails almost 100 businesses and bankrupts casinos, which is something only Trump has been managed to do, since casinos are money machines, he's a failure of a businessman.

[PC2]

The trouble is he bankrupted multiple casinos even deep into his business career.

Also, for some reason, people think only bankruptcy is indicative of failure. Bankruptcy was a way for Trump to keep his businesses without being beholden to his debts. Trump has had over 100 brands. Trump steaks, Trump vodka, etc. Nearly all of them have FAILED miserably. They ate the losses and just closed down. Didn't declare bankruptcy, but failed.

When someone fails almost 100 businesses and bankrupts casinos, which is something only Trump has been managed to do, since casinos are money machines, he's a failure of a businessman.

Hmm okay, I don't know a lot about Trump's business history. If you take an entrepreneurship class at business school they'll straight up tell you that 9 out of 10 businesses will fail before giving any significant return. It's largely about finding that one winner and then turning it into a cash cow which will then make up for the failed ones plus a lot extra.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Hmm okay, I don't know a lot about Trump's business history. If you take an entrepreneurship class at business school they'll straight up tell you that 9 out of 10 businesses will fail before giving any significant return. It's largely about finding that one winner and then turning it into a cash cow which will then make up for the failed ones plus a lot extra.

And most of those businesses have to use loans to even open up, and don't make enough money during their opening phases to keep both rent and loan payments going.

He failed businesses that are essentially money machines. He was given land by his dad, and given millions of dollars. His casino hotels charged a fortune and were trash quality. 5 star hotel cost, 2 star service. The only reason he even still has business is that his dad gave him a bunch of New York property and injected his casinos with family money. Trump has cases where he never paid his workers or construction crew (including illegal immigrants) and while some succeeded in getting payment, many went without it.

He's a failure of a businessman, and there's jokes and articles dating back to before he was even a presidential contender about how awful he is at business. Everything Trump touches, dies. He has the reverse midas touch.

Successful businessmen are that 1 in 10, and Trump doesn't have that kind of track record.

[PosPosPos]

Do you never get tired of lying?

Do you never get tired of using the same lies over and over?

Asking a pathological liar if they ever get tired of lying....is about as helpful as asking humans whether they are tired of breathing.

[Theodarzna]

Hmm okay, I don't know a lot about Trump's business history. If you take an entrepreneurship class at business school they'll straight up tell you that 9 out of 10 businesses will fail before giving any significant return. It's largely about finding that one winner and then turning it into a cash cow which will then make up for the failed ones plus a lot extra.

Is it not potentially fair to say if someone fails many times at something than they might not have the aptitude for it? If I write 100 books and nobody wants to read them or nobody likes a single story I've penned, at a certain point I'd have to consider if writing isn't a thing I have aptitude for.

Trump's business' have had little if any success I can recall. At his age, there isn't much time left for a great triumph. I mean he has managed to remain wealthy, and become President of a country and that is a success; but one can't claim he is a brilliant business man.

[Deja Thoris]

I never followed the whole AOC thing, I just saw the usual racists and Trump fellaters hating on her here.

Eventually I saw that documentary on netflix about her. Having read about her here I thought she'd be and illiterate humpback or something. Turns out shes actually a thoughtful articulate person who wants to represent her district honestly and fairly and in their best interests. I think the fact that she worked a bar job makes her relatable.

I don't think you need an Ivy league education to do what she does. Sure, shes rough around the edges but a well adjusted moral compass is more valuable then an education like that anyway.

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The trouble is he bankrupted multiple casinos even deep into his business career.

Also, for some reason, people think only bankruptcy is indicative of failure. Bankruptcy was a way for Trump to keep his businesses without being beholden to his debts. Trump has had over 100 brands. Trump steaks, Trump vodka, etc. Nearly all of them have FAILED miserably. They ate the losses and just closed down. Didn't declare bankruptcy, but failed.

When someone fails almost 100 businesses and bankrupts casinos, which is something only Trump has been managed to do, since casinos are money machines, he's a failure of a businessman.

I mean seriously, how do you bankrupt a casino? The odds are in your favour and a decent chunk of your business comes from addicts who are compelled to throw dough your way. Running a casino into bankruptcy is like breaking a fundamental law of nature or something. It shouldn't be possible yet somehow he was so shockingly bad at it he managed.

[PC2]

Is it not potentially fair to say if someone fails many times at something than they might not have the aptitude for it? If I write 100 books and nobody wants to read them or nobody likes a single story I've penned, at a certain point I'd have to consider if writing isn't a thing I have aptitude for.

Trump's business' have had little if any success I can recall. At his age, there isn't much time left for a great triumph. I mean he has managed to remain wealthy, and become President of a country and that is a success; but one can't claim he is a brilliant business man.

I mean if you can fail 100% of the time and still have billions of dollars then you've just given a short proof that failing isn't that big of a deal.

If anything it should be encouraged. In my 20's I asked out a lot of girls and failed tons of times and yet I found a great SO. Probabilistically I'm a failure and yet it doesn't matter because it's about how you end up and not how great your track record is.

[Theodarzna]

I mean if you can fail 100% of the time and still have billions of dollars then you've just given a short proof that failing isn't that big of a deal.

If anything it should be encouraged. In my 20's I asked out a lot of girls and failed tons of times and yet I found a great SO. Probabilistically I'm a failure and yet it doesn't matter because it's about how you end up and not how great your track record is.

Or that for some classes of people, failure is not a deal breaker for power.

And sure, you eventually found an SO, but I'd hesitate to call you a "Ladies Man" for one success our of a thousand failures.

[Adam Jensen]

I mean if you can fail 100% of the time and still have billions of dollars then you've just given a short proof that failing isn't that big of a deal.

If anything it should be encouraged. In my 20's I asked out a lot of girls and failed tons of times and yet I found a great SO. Probabilistically I'm a failure and yet it doesn't matter because it's about how you end up and not how great your track record is.

Accounting for inflation, he's actually lost money compared to if he just sat on his inheritance and did nothing with it.

[PC2]

Accounting for inflation, he's actually lost money compared to if he just sat on his inheritance and did nothing with it.

Okay but in life it's better to try and try and try again. It's still better than doing nothing your entire life and Trump certainly wouldn't be POTUS if he had done that.

I'd hesitate to call you a "Ladies Man"

Word. (lol)

[Elegiac]

Okay but in life it's better to try and try and try again. It's better than doing nothing and Trump certainly wouldn't be POTUS if he had done that.

Pst.

You're not getting the important thing.

The point is that there is a glass floor as well as a glass ceiling. Rich people can afford to fail repeatedly and waste thousands if not millions of dollars - poor people have a hard time failing only once.

[Endus]

Pst.

You're not getting the important thing.

The point is that there is a glass floor as well as a glass ceiling. Rich people can afford to fail repeatedly and waste thousands if not millions of dollars - poor people have a hard time failing only once.

Right.

If it takes $600k to get a new business off the ground, that bankrupts most middle class entrepeneurs if it goes under. They get to fail once.

For someone with $100 million, that loss is just "Tuesday". They barely notice it.

[Yoshingo]

She's a boogeyman that the right itself created.

I think she's smart and makes great points and is a really good person on committees and great at questioning people.

But she's just a single Congresswoman. It was the right that made her into this supposed giant figure because of how afraid they are of her ideas.

[Adam Jensen]

She's a boogeyman that the right itself created.

I think she's smart and makes great points and is a really good person on committees and great at questioning people.

But she's just a single Congresswoman. It was the right that made her into this supposed giant figure because of how afraid they are of her ideas.

That's what I don't get. She's 1/435th the entire House. She chairs no important committees. The right-wing fascination with her far outweighs her actual influence.

[Captain N]

That's what I don't get. She's 1/435th the entire House. She chairs no important committees. The right-wing fascination with her far outweighs her actual influence.

The best reason I've heard for their hate is that she's an educated latina woman in a position of power that isn't ashamed that she was once a bartender. She's everything the modern GOP and their support seems to have an issue with.

[Elegiac]

That's what I don't get. She's 1/435th the entire House. She chairs no important committees. The right-wing fascination with her far outweighs her actual influence.

Her actual influence so far.

Keep in mind this is the same party that spent the better part of three decades doing everything in its power to malign Hillary Clinton because they (correctly) identified her long term political ambitions and wanted to load her with as much stigma as possible. Ocasio-Cortez is, as others have pointed out, noxious to them because not only is as others have pointed out an educated latina woman with clear long term political ambitions, but also because unlike Clinton she is actually left wing.

That they aren't having as much success is, imho, due to a) Clinton actually having a lot of shady political dealings which made the Republican smears against her seem more credible and b) the generational gap. AOC appeals to her constituents and her supporters across the country in ways an increasingly geriatric panel of Republican political strategists don't seem to understand.

[Toppy]

Okay but in life it's better to try and try and try again. It's still better than doing nothing your entire life and Trump certainly wouldn't be POTUS if he had done that.



Word. (lol)

Except in Trump's case he would be doing better if he had done nothing but just enjoy his money.

In Trumps case his "Try try again" has hurt both himself and others.

[Yoshingo]

The best reason I've heard for their hate is that she's an educated latina woman in a position of power that isn't ashamed that she was once a bartender. She's everything the modern GOP and their support seems to have an issue with.

Because I think they can see that Millennials and younger resonate with what she says in pretty large amounts, so they're setting up their new Hillary Clinton scapegoat to burn at the stake for 30 years if/when she wants to run for higher office.

Frankly I kind of hope she runs for Senate because I think she could beat milquetoast Kirsten Gillibrand and her becoming a Senator would truly blow the right's fucking minds. It'd be hilarious to watch.

[Monster Hunter]

Flash without substance.

Sums up hers and my generation unfortunately.

Were good at talking the talk but if we can walk remains to be seen.