Libya Military Intervention Myths: That it was a failure.

[Mythic-RaidLead]

Bottom line, it would had been much worse, many more would have been killed. The NATO intervention was completely justified and it was carried out to stop the massacre. Qaddafi had to go. The goal was not to set up a functional stable republic, it was to make the situation less bad than it would otherwise would had been and to stop the massacres.

While I support some aspects of the Trump Administration, I want to see a conservative in office who also is also very infavor of NATO.

Most criticisms of the intervention, even with the benefit of hindsight, fall short. It is certainly true that the intervention didn’t produce something resembling a stable democracy. This, however, was never the goal. The goal was to protect civilians and prevent a massacre.

Critics erroneously compare Libya today to any number of false ideals, but this is not the correct way to evaluate the success or failure of the intervention. To do that, we should compare Libya today to what Libya would have looked like if we hadn’t intervened. By that standard, the Libya intervention was successful: The country is better off today than it would have been had the international community allowed dictator Muammar Qaddafi to continue his rampage across the country.

Here’s what we know: By March 19, 2011, when the NATO operation began, the death toll in Libya had risen rapidly to more than 1,000 in a relatively short amount of time, confirming Qaddafi’s longstanding reputation as someone who was willing to kill his countrymen (as well as others) in large numbers if that’s what his survival required.

There was no end in sight. After early rebel gains, Qaddafi had seized the advantage. Still, he was not in a position to deal a decisive blow to the opposition. (Nowhere in the Arab Spring era has one side in a military conflict been able to claim a clear victory, even with massive advantages in manpower, equipment, and regional backing.)

The most likely outcome, then, was a Syria-like situation of indefinite, intensifying violence. Even President Obama, who today seems unsure about the decision to intervene, acknowledged in an August 2014 interview with Thomas Friedman that “had we not intervened, it’s likely that Libya would be Syria…And so there would be more death, more disruption, more destruction.”

source: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/marka...-theyre-wrong/

[JohnBrown1917]

I did not know Hillary Clinton had an MMO-C account. Trying to make an excuse for your 'watching brown kids suffer" fetish?

[Forogil]

Bottom line, it would had been much worse, many more would have been killed. The NATO intervention was completely justified and it was carried out to stop the massacre. Qaddafi had to go. The goal was not to set up a functional stable republic, it was to make the situation less bad than it would otherwise would had been and to stop the massacres.

Perhaps in Libya itself, but the Libyan civil war is still ongoing, we don't know how this will end.

However, the more problematic part is what conclusions dictatorships with nuclear ambitions, like N. Korea, and Iran, draw from this.
Remember that Libya abandoned their nuclear program and came clean on it.

[Spectral]

Most criticisms of the intervention, even with the benefit of hindsight, fall short. It is certainly true that the intervention didn’t produce something resembling a stable democracy. This, however, was never the goal. The goal was to protect civilians and prevent a massacre.

That's not how it was sold:

Mrs. Clinton was won over. Opposition leaders “said all the right things about supporting democracy and inclusivity and building Libyan institutions, providing some hope that we might be able to pull this off,” said Philip H. Gordon, one of her assistant secretaries. “They gave us what we wanted to hear. And you do want to believe.”

To be fair, I can easily buy that these people are morons or liars, so you can take your pick. Either way, what they were selling is that this was about democracy. Instead, we've got slave markets.

At least it gave her a signature policy achievement that clarified why she has no business being near the levers of power.

[Theodarzna]

Brookings? So according to people who call for foreign wars and have never seen a country they didn't want to topple, War is good? Fascinating.

[arandomuser]

The thing is the people who consider interventions a failure, mostly white nationalist, and super woke(also ussually always white)socialist, dont believe brown people should have economic freedom and the ability to decide their own future without a tyrranical dictator

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Brookings? So according to people who call for foreign wars and have never seen a country they didn't want to topple, War is good? Fascinating.

Would you agree or disagree the civil war is neverjustified in order to give freedom to millions of people? War is deadly, sometimes innocents die, but if you ascribe to belief war is never justified, you are saying the civil war wasnt justified and the north should of just "minded its own business" i can think of alot of people who would disagree with your assessment. actually i have an even better example world war 2, U.S killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, and you know what, i think it was damn worth it to stop the nazis, guess im a warmonger now apparently for thinking freedom is a human right.

[Cizr]

Libya intervention fucked up the country and helped cause immigration crisis in Europe.

[arandomuser]

Libya intervention fucked up the country and helped cause immigration crisis in Europe.

example A my first point

[Cizr]

example A my first point

How does your projection change reality? Everything I said is truth

[JohnBrown1917]

The thing is the people who consider interventions a failure, mostly white nationalist, and super woke(also ussually always white)socialist, dont believe brown people should have economic freedom and the ability to decide their own future without a tyrranical dictator

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Is this how imperialist are now spinning it? Stop making excuses for reasons you want to get innocent brown kids killed. Look at what Europe and the US turned Libya into. Not to even mention all the other "interventions" and US backed coups that only led to suffering.


Its disgusting.

[Rozz]

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