Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[bmjclark]

Canada really is that bitch, huh?

In fairness, that map shows 1 dot per province in Canada where as it shows red in every county in the US. Not that the reality is any better. The US has roughly 9 times as many people as Canada but roughly 200 times the daily cases, most of the cases in Ontario and Quebec both of which get around 100 cases a day. Before someone even says it, yes population density makes some amount of difference but at the same time, most of Canada's population is within a few hour drive of the American border in areas like the Greater Toronto Area and Vancouver meaning that all that empty land up north isn't really relevant when talking about population density.

Just goes to show how much having the federal, provincial and local governments taking things seriously can do.

Btw, Toronto, a city that has a population of 3 million and is literally touching multiple other large cities had 14 cases yesterday. The difference between the US and Canada is actually astounding in this whole thing.

[Poopymonster]

Saving people by bombing other people is a sign of strength, and people vote for that. But saving people by implementing safety measures and absorbing the economical impact is a sign of weakness, and people vote against that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

rEguLaTiOnS aRe BaD. Muh Freedumb.

[Puupi]

In fairness, that map shows 1 dot per province in Canada where as it shows red in every county in the US. Not that the reality is any better. The US has roughly 9 times as many people as Canada but roughly 200 times the daily cases, most of the cases in Ontario and Quebec both of which get around 100 cases a day. Before someone even says it, yes population density makes some amount of difference but at the same time, most of Canada's population is within a few hour drive of the American border in areas like the Greater Toronto Area and Vancouver meaning that all that empty land up north isn't really relevant when talking about population density.

Just goes to show how much having the federal, provincial and local governments taking things seriously can do.

Btw, Toronto, a city that has a population of 3 million and is literally touching multiple other large cities had 14 cases yesterday. The difference between the US and Canada is actually astounding in this whole thing.

Unfortunately population density isn't some magic wand explaining everything, if anything at all.

Proof: Asia and Sweden.

[Tuor]

Good news, well, at least for americans, others might need to wait a little longer.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1...49395719053312

The vaccine seems to work .

[Yunru]

Good news, well, at least for americans, others might need to wait a little longer.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1...49395719053312

The vaccine seems to work .

I would have to see it in action on some other country population 1.st. Also from what i reading side effect of that vacine arent great.
Severe chills doesnt sound great.
25 dose seems to be the safest.

[Draco-Onis]

Good news, well, at least for americans, others might need to wait a little longer.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1...49395719053312

The vaccine seems to work .

I would not put much trust in the US vaccine right now especially with the FDA which is under political pressure to put out a vaccine before the election killing regulations and safeguards left and right.

[Nellise]

I would not put much trust in the US vaccine right now especially with the FDA which is under political pressure to put out a vaccine before the election killing regulations and safeguards left and right.

It's also a trial of only 45 people for something that's supposed to go to hundreds of millions and over 50% of those 45 had some concerning side effects (100% who got the highest dose had side effects). It was also age limited to 18-55, which leaves out the most important group for it.

[Puupi]

It's also a trial of only 45 people for something that's supposed to go to hundreds of millions and over 50% of those 45 had some concerning side effects (100% who got the highest dose had side effects). It was also age limited to 18-55, which leaves out the most important group for it.

Also it's a complete mystery for how long the immunity even lasts.

[Forogil]

It's also a trial of only 45 people for something that's supposed to go to hundreds of millions and over 50% of those 45 had some concerning side effects (100% who got the highest dose had side effects). It was also age limited to 18-55, which leaves out the most important group for it.

True, that is supposed to change with the phase 3 study.

However, even if it begins this month (July 27) they do not expect to start measuring actual "immunity" against covid-19 until 1.5 months later; i.e. mid-September and the primary Completion Date is not until the fall - of 2022.

[Masark]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt...store-71774507

More American anti-mask psychotics.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/angry-wi...mbership-cards

British tories tantruming over mask orders. No stabbings yet though.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/israel...lockdown-gains

Empirical data out of Israel is showing that reopening schools is a really bad idea, despite theoretical claims that children don't spread this virus very well.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...19/5442415002/

Walmart is going to start requiring masks as of Monday. Hopefully no greeters will be stabbed.

[Zan15]

I would not put much trust in the US vaccine right now especially with the FDA which is under political pressure to put out a vaccine before the election killing regulations and safeguards left and right.

bah they will just give it to the military again just like the swine flu vaccine, use them as test subjects

then we can see if its safe.

[PACOX]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt...store-71774507

More American anti-mask psychotics.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/angry-wi...mbership-cards

British tories tantruming over mask orders. No stabbings yet though.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/israel...lockdown-gains

Empirical data out of Israel is showing that reopening schools is a really bad idea, despite theoretical claims that children don't spread this virus very well.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...19/5442415002/

Walmart is going to start requiring masks as of Monday. Hopefully no greeters will be stabbed.

Sadly there's tons of videos already with Walmart employees getting into altercations with people who don't want to wear masks.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/tatereeves/statu...83825219682304

Let’s talk about herd immunity. I’ve listened to some people argue that the rapid spread of cases is a good thing, and we need to reach herd immunity in Mississippi and elsewhere to survive. I’m not a health care expert by any means, but I am a math guy. And I have thoughts:

The experts say we need 70-80% of the population to get COVID-19 to achieve herd immunity. Let’s assume they’re wrong (it’s certainly possible, they have been before.) Let’s assume they’re being way overly cautious and we actually only need 40% infection for herd immunity.

In Mississippi, our population is 3 million. We’ve had 36,680 cases so far.

We’d need 1.2 MILLION infections to achieve that hypothetical 40% threshold. (Remember, experts say it’s double that.)

Over the last two weeks, our hospital system has started to become stressed to the point of pain. We are seeing the early signs and effects of it becoming overwhelmed. We had to suspend elective surgeries again.

On our worst day of new cases, we had just over 1,000. It has typically been between 700-900 during this most aggressive time.

To get to 40% infections, we’d need 3,187 new cases every day for a full year from today.

We would need to TRIPLE our worst day—every day—for a year.

I’m not one of these guys that immediately dismisses any idea that challenges the expert status quo talking points. I’m pretty skeptical by nature. That’s healthy. But herd immunity is not anything like a realistic solution in the short or mid-term. I wish it was.

Unless you’re willing to go without hospitals after a car wreck or heart attack, we need a different approach. Right now, despite mixed messages at the beginning, it seems like masks are the best bet. They’re a hell of a lot better than widespread shut downs. Please wear one!

This is the governor of Mississippi, surprisingly coming out with a data driven analysis of how monumentally stupid the "heard immunity" argument is. I'm pleasantly surprised by this.

[Forogil]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/israel...lockdown-gains

Empirical data out of Israel is showing that reopening schools is a really bad idea, despite theoretical claims that children don't spread this virus very well.

Not only theoretical claims about low spread from children - but actual studies; both of case-data and studies based on closing in several European countries.

One problem that both the studies of European countries and this Israel-study have is that many countries do everything at once, and thus it's hard to see what made the impact. In this case Israel began opening schools in May, and also began opening the rest of society in late April and all through May (a lot of them on May 4th - lifting restriction on number of passengers on buses on May 20th).

Thus when they say that schools opened one week and cases began increasing the next one we have a correlation, not a causation.

The report is also a bit confusing - they first go through all countries with emphasis on age-differentiated opening - and when there is spread in the schools in Israel they don't mention anything about the age of those students.

[Draco-Onis]

https://twitter.com/tatereeves/statu...83825219682304



This is the governor of Mississippi, surprisingly coming out with a data driven analysis of how monumentally stupid the "heard immunity" argument is. I'm pleasantly surprised by this.

That makes two of us when I hear Governor of Mississippi I brace for the worst.

[Zan15]

Sadly there's tons of videos already with Walmart employees getting into altercations with people who don't want to wear masks.

Sadly its not just maskholes they have to deal with and the million video's on youtube prove it.

Walmart and their tens of billions really should staff professional security at each of its stores but we know they can't spare the profit.

The local cops at this point should start charging a surcharge to Walmart since they refuse to even provide minimum security.

[Grapemask]

I would have to see it in action on some other country population 1.st. Also from what i reading side effect of that vacine arent great.
Severe chills doesnt sound great.
25 dose seems to be the safest.

These are actually very common symptoms from vaccines. It's a large part of why people insist they only got the flu after they got the flu vaccine - they didn't actually get the flu, they're just experiencing temporary vaccine side effects.

[Zan15]

YIKES vaccine first run not looking fun at all, these folks complaining about having to wear a mask wait till they need a shot.....



The vaccine "induced anti–SARS-CoV-2 immune responses in all participants," the research team reported Tuesday in the New England Journal of Medicine. Researchers said that "no trial-limiting safety concerns were identified." Yet a majority of participants still reported at least one side effect.

"Solicited adverse events that occurred in more than half the participants included fatigue, chills, headache, myalgia, and pain at the injection site," the report states. Fever, joint pain and nausea were also reported.

Side effects grew more common with more (and larger) injections, the scientists write:

"Systemic adverse events were more common after the second vaccination, particularly with the highest dose, and three participants (21%) in the 250-μg dose group reported one or more severe adverse events."


Notably, every participant in the two larger-dose groups reported adverse reactions after their second injections. One study participant in the smallest-dose group, meanwhile, was removed due to having developed hives after the first round of injections.




The scientists said that due to the ongoing status of the project, they are not yet "able to assess the durability of the immune responses" generated by the vaccine, but that they intend to follow participants "for 1 year after the second vaccination" and examine regular blood samples to monitor the vaccine's effects.

A large trial "expected to evaluate a 100-μg dose" is "anticipated to begin during the summer of 2020," the report states.

[Masark]

https://www.ksl.com/article/46777290...ealth-concerns

-_-

[PACOX]

Georgia 'we "bravely" ended lockdown early when everyone told us not too' is no FORBIDDEN from passing any local mask laws while in the same breath saying following the governors new executive orders will help flatten the curve.

America where being irresponsible is your right - no matter how many people day. Just make sure your 'essential worker' ass is at work on time to care of the people exercising their rights.