Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Lenonis]

What.. what exactly did you expect from a self anointed anarchist in a political discussion?

I expected the other forum goers to tire of the routine honestly. I mean...once someone says "let it all burn I don't care" then there isn't anything to discuss so let's move on.

[Ripster42]

what do you mean they've cut off her nose?

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even i'm getting a bit tired of rochana.

To spite their face.

[eschatological]

I expected the other forum goers to tire of the routine honestly. I mean...once someone says "let it all burn I don't care" then there isn't anything to discuss so let's move on.

I used to believe something similar to this. I also used to believe in the idea that "it's not polite to talk religion and politics at the dinner table/with company." Frankly, I don't any more. I believe American culture for too long has let these views fester under the surface and rot. The lack of dialogue has pushed us further and further away from each other, until we elected a black President and suddenly and abruptly our vast divide was exposed rather in a rather ugly swing towards fascism and nationalism.

I have relatives all over the world. They all talk religion and politics regularly and often, and are much more informed and reasoned than anyone I've met in America. My French uncle loudly and vociferously talks global politics at every meal, and I think France is probably better off for it.

We can't let willful ignorance and conscientious stupidity go, and just shrug at it. That's my sincere belief.

[Smitzelplix]

What a coincidence! Our local woke stooges are playing the "economic anxiety" card again. Boosting the Trump ad that just came out...


Why are they (gleefully) signal boosting every shitty, disingenuous Team Trump oppo/attack dumpt?
Unless that is, they like them...which pretty obviously seems to be the case.



This is the same Trump that yesterday, demanded that workers go back to work without liability protections...

Is something wrong with their ad or am I misunderstanding it? The headline says that Biden writes off deplorable Trump voters, but then has quotes where Biden is doing the exact opposite of it.

[Felya]

I'm rather under the impression that the movement is gaining more popularity as time goes on.

It can’t, because you either self immolate or you are hypocrite.

Nobody would've dare guess the amount of support Bernie got this year only a decade ago.

Why? He has been a Vermont senator for 30 years...

Everywhere else I look on social media or even out in the real world the social-democratic spirit is growing and burning brighter.

It’s not, because they are drowned out by people like you. Last time I remember, you are not demanding Biden step down on social democratic issues and “burn the world down”, is the antithesis of socialist democracy.

Don't get me wrong. I don't necessarily disagree with your views, but I feel as if people are putting a bit too much faith into the kind of help politicians like Biden will be to them.

No, we know exactly... there is a history and current event.

Why do you make a comment like this? What is the purpose?

Or is it just a frustrated lash out in anger, like many of my own posts?

Same reason you are here pushing alt right talking points, under the guise of democratic socialism. What happened to Anarchist or your opposition to “monopoly on violence”?

It’s kinda like someone posting GOP taking down ACA, in support of universal coverage. Then use that as evidence of being progressive, not showing that ACA was demonized the same way you are doing to Biden, which costs millions their healthcare. That’s a fucked up and back handed way to support universal coverage.

[Lenonis]

We can't let willful ignorance and conscientious stupidity go, and just shrug at it. That's my sincere belief.

I mean sure. But MMOC isn't the place where that discussion will take place. Internet forums don't make for sincere conversation.

[Felya]

I mean sure. But MMOC isn't the place where that discussion will take place. Internet forums don't make for sincere conversation.

Hey now! Some of us at least try...

[Felya]

Everything I've seen you write has been brainless shilling for Biden and accusations of bad faith against his critics. It is not as if you possess some spectacular insight or had some fascinating discourses: you just repeat the same shit endlessly.

Want to discuss how your position is moral imperialism that seeks the necessary evil? I bet you won’t find a discussion quite like it, anywhere else.

[Lenonis]

Everything I've seen you write

which isn't much mr. 1 post account. *smashes report post button* Bye bye!

[Machismo]

Everything I've seen you write has been brainless shilling for Biden and accusations of bad faith against his critics. It is not as if you possess some spectacular insight or had some fascinating discourses: you just repeat the same shit endlessly.

Evidence, please.

[Felya]

Evidence, please.

What evidence? If seeing a billionaire’s smile on TV every day, does not give you all the evidence you need, nothing will. What’s next? Are you going to ask the sun not to rise? Birds not to sing? Flowers not to bloom? The smile on a billionaire’s face, can feed a starving family for a life time... the more starving, the more true.

Wash your faces and smile you ungrateful...


See, now isn’t this better:

[TexasRules]

Holes in ford story what holes were those? Odd how ford supposedly has more Holes yet republicans found her credible. Hey there was even a second accuser. With witnesses.

Please link the exact location and date her assault happened. With no holes in her story this should be easy. I also think it is funny how people bring up the question as to why now, but took Ford's answer as to why now easily. I guess it all depends on who you are backing. I await your links showing me exactly when her assault happened...just general date and location--no holes in this story should make it real easy.

[Machismo]

Please link the exact location and date her assault happened. With no holes in her story this should be easy. I also think it is funny how people bring up the question as to why now, but took Ford's answer as to why now easily. I guess it all depends on who you are backing. I await your links showing me exactly when her assault happened...just general date and location--no holes in this story should make it real easy.

Meanwhile... 54% of Republicans actually support sexual assault:

https://www.npr.org/about-npr/651750...rett-kavanaugh

It's not that they didn't actually believe Ford... they did. It's that they didn't care.

[TexasRules]

It's not hypocritical to analyze two different sets of facts and reach two different conclusions. Most of us here believe that people deserve a chance to be heard, but evidence has to support claims.

Evidence like a phone call by the victim's mom to larry king years ago vs an undetermined location and time. But you will give the latter the benefit of the doubt. You do not have to reply, your blind loyalty is on display here. It is the height of hypocrisy that all these democratic politicians said that Ford absolutely has to be heard and investigated but will not even mention Reade. You can pretend it is not, as that is your talking points. But you can't seem to understand how it is hypocrisy, so not even going to bother with someone who ignores obviousness.

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Meanwhile... 54% of Republicans actually support sexual assault:

https://www.npr.org/about-npr/651750...rett-kavanaugh

It's not that they didn't actually believe Ford... they did. It's that they didn't care.

So no links? And can you point to a current democrat who is caring about Tara Reade's assault? I would really love say the head of the DNC, maybe one of these women who wants to be BIden's VP...maybe even Biden himself? I am sure since they were all over Kavanaugh , they must have something to say now. Oh and thanks for a year and a half old poll. I guess only democratic politicians can change their stance on subjects. Got anything recent? Maybe a poll that doesn't show 54% of a poll that is only 27% republican?

[Machismo]

Evidence like a phone call by the victim's mom to larry king years ago vs an undetermined location and time. But you will give the latter the benefit of the doubt. You do not have to reply, your blind loyalty is on display here. It is the height of hypocrisy that all these democratic politicians said that Ford absolutely has to be heard and investigated but will not even mention Reade. You can pretend it is not, as that is your talking points. But you can't seem to understand how it is hypocrisy, so not even going to bother with someone who ignores obviousness.

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So no links? And can you point to a current democrat who is caring about Tara Reade's assault? I would really love say the head of the DNC, maybe one of these women who wants to be BIden's VP...maybe even Biden himself? I am sure since they were all over Kavanaugh , they must have something to say now.

You should poll Democrats, and see if more than half of them also support sexual assault.

Good luck!!!

[Zaktar]

Evidence like a phone call by the victim's mom to larry king years ago vs an undetermined location and time. But you will give the latter the benefit of the doubt. You do not have to reply, your blind loyalty is on display here. It is the height of hypocrisy that all these democratic politicians said that Ford absolutely has to be heard and investigated but will not even mention Reade. You can pretend it is not, as that is your talking points. But you can't seem to understand how it is hypocrisy, so not even going to bother with someone who ignores obviousness.

There are already detailed accounts of the strengths and weaknesses of both stories in this thread, revisiting them with you a few pages later does not seem productive. I and others have also said the Reade story is worth investigation.

[Omega10]

What a coincidence! Our local woke stooges are playing the "economic anxiety" card again. Boosting the Trump ad that just came out...


Why are they (gleefully) signal boosting every shitty, disingenuous Team Trump oppo/attack dumpt?
Unless that is, they like them...which pretty obviously seems to be the case.



This is the same Trump that yesterday, demanded that workers go back to work without liability protections...

Please please please don't act surprised at this. Yes we get it, from a factual standpoint the ad is mostly false. The parts that are true make Biden out to be MUCH better than Trump. Were you around 4 years ago?

BUT HER EMAILS!!!

BENGHAZI!!!

Both narratives were 100% completely false. They were the narratives that put Trump in the White House.

Look carefully at the two narratives that I quotes above: number of words = 4, number of words per narrative = 2. 4 years later everyone knows what both memes are about.

From a political standpoint, whatever the facts are, CREEPY JOE absolutely positively WILL BE one of the memes that republicans hammer for the rest of the election season. The debates over whether Trump is more creepy than Biden just reinforce the point that YES, JOE REALLY IS CREEPY AND THE CREEPY JOE MEME IS ACCURATE. The "Trump is worse" part will be in very very very teeny tiny small print.

It sucks that this is the way that politics is run in the US. But this is reality.

Biden... well the democratic party overall... needs to come up with their campaign strategies and main themes. 2 themes, maximum of 6 words total for the 2 themes. If they don't, Trump will surge in late October / early November - again - and win regardless of what the polls say from now until mid October.

Right now Trump is absolutely demolishing Biden in the meme contest:

Trump campaign: 1 meme - Creepy Joe. 2 meme - Dementia Joe.
Biden campaign: no memes at this time

You can't beat something with nothing. Trump 2, Biden 0.

[Theodarzna]

So no links? And can you point to a current democrat who is caring about Tara Reade's assault? I would really love say the head of the DNC, maybe one of these women who wants to be BIden's VP...maybe even Biden himself? I am sure since they were all over Kavanaugh , they must have something to say now. Oh and thanks for a year and a half old poll. I guess only democratic politicians can change their stance on subjects. Got anything recent? Maybe a poll that doesn't show 54% of a poll that is only 27% republican?

AOC came out and said "This deserves a fair hearing and treatment; but I doubt she counts given her friendliness to Bernard Sanders. No Establishment brand safe democrat on the other hand has and most of said "We believe Joe Biden!" in this, as Stacy Abrams of powerful thirst energy has said.

[Machismo]

Please please please don't act surprised at this. Yes we get it, from a factual standpoint the ad is mostly false. The parts that are true make Biden out to be MUCH better than Trump. Were you around 4 years ago?

BUT HER EMAILS!!!

BENGHAZI!!!

Both narratives were 100% completely false. They were the narratives that put Trump in the White House.

Look carefully at the two narratives that I quotes above: number of words = 4, number of words per narrative = 2. 4 years later everyone knows what both memes are about.

From a political standpoint, whatever the facts are, CREEPY JOE absolutely positively WILL BE one of the memes that republicans hammer for the rest of the election season. The debates over whether Trump is more creepy than Biden just reinforce the point that YES, JOE REALLY IS CREEPY AND THE CREEPY JOE MEME IS ACCURATE. The "Trump is worse" part will be in very very very teeny tiny small print.

It sucks that this is the way that politics is run in the US. But this is reality.

Biden... well the democratic party overall... needs to come up with their campaign strategies and main themes. 2 themes, maximum of 6 words total for the 2 themes. If they don't, Trump will surge in late October / early November - again - and win regardless of what the polls say from now until mid October.

Right now Trump is absolutely demolishing Biden in the meme contest:

Trump campaign: 1 meme - Creepy Joe. 2 meme - Dementia Joe.
Biden campaign: no memes at this time

You can't beat something with nothing. Trump 2, Biden 0.

I vote one should be, "Stop Spreading Lies."

Repeat it whenever a Trumpster tries to push anything at all. Use it to shut them the fuck up, and use it often.

[breadisfunny]

Evidence, please.

leonis's posting history.