Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[AntiStooge]

yeah no i get to choose who i vote for last time i checked. so the line " you don't get to make ideal choices is pure bullshit." my ideal choice right now is not voting.also insulting me isn't going to convince me to vote biden but welcome to ignore.

Your vote is your own and no one else's. Do not give in to pressure from Biden shills here who are camped here every waking hours of their lives indulging in personal attacks and shaming, specifically target non-voters like you. You can easily see who are the shills planted here. It is always the same few posters who camp in here at unusually long hours and they specially target non-voters and non Biden supporters like you, labelling people are not in unison with their political outlook as "Trumpsters", racists and all other kind of insults. Their intentions are simple, to shame and pressure and blackmail undecided voters to vote for Biden. They work in pairs and groups too. You can always see the same few posters who take turns in attacking you at similar timings.

The mods here seem to be all conveniently leftists and Biden supporters as well. They are eerily similar in their political outlook and allegiance. The moderation here is extremely biased too. Posters who are non-Biden supporters and who do not agree with their political clique are constantly targeted with unfair infractions and bans when they do not actually contradict forum rules. They often give ambiguous "trolling" infractions when there are no good excuses to silence outsiders whom they do not agree with. Meanwhile people from their clique that go round attacking and making personal insults at non-voters labelling them as Trumpsters, racist and other BS go unpunished. The moderation here is absolutely despicable and disgusting. Don't think I have ever seen a more corrupted moderation anywhere else. Hope you rats are proud of yourself.

[Levelfive]

This is an online forum for a 15+ year old game. Hardly any division is being sowed regardless of what we post

Whether they're successful is a different matter, but they do seem to have picked up a couple. It was Steve Bannon who realized gamers would be highly susceptible to this particular brand of bullshit.

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What bothers me about the whole lets wait for things to get worse is that the people saying are probably incresibly priviledged and can wait for things to get worse. Normal people cant.

The left doesnt really care about workers when they day shit like that its about ideology

That's exactly what we're saying, which is why it's not actually a "leftist" position.

[Beefhammer]

The coronavirus task force was created on January 29th. A travel ban and quarantine was imposed two days alter along with a declaration of a public health emergency. This is when Trump was first told he could have a pandemic on his hands. HHS made a formal request of 4 billion USD a few days later in February to cover equipment shortages.

So he and his administration did quite a bit at the end of January. Hell the CDC had been trying to send people to China from early January to get a handle on this with the Chinese refusing them entry, but they didn't realize ( or event want to realize ) just how bad and quickly this would get.

There are an enormous number of people in the US, in Europe and around the entire planet who severely underestimated the seriousness of this disease regardless of political party of ideology. Trump is nothing different there.

Where he genuinely screwed up compared to almost everyone else is that although some very good and needed measures were taken at the end of January/Early February he should have done quite a bit more, but he did a lot more then "nothing". Would Biden have then better? Maybe, maybe not.

Biden certainly did not appreciate the travel ban Trump imposed, even though a similar travel ban is the reason South Korea managed to get through this as well as it did.

If your argument is that overall Trump has handled this badly, absolutely and I think only die hard fanatics would disagree there, but if you're argument is "Biden would have been better." then no, there's no proof that he would have.

You ignore the 40k people that came in from China that were un-screened after the travel ban/restrictions were in place. He cut funding for a corona-virus research project in 2019 even though the administration knew as early as 2017 that it could pose a worldwide threat in the near future. He cut funding for the program that was keeping tabs on possible pandemic outbreaks. He has been cutting funding to the CDC since he took office. His administration had no interests in participating in a mock pandemic response during his transition. Knew the stockpiles were low before day 1 in 2017 and did jack shit to restock them. He was informed as early as Nov 2019 that something was brewing and did nothing then. He refused tests from the WHO that put us seriously behind. He also only used the DPA to slap the hands of companies he didn't like.

Then we basically went on the media acting like it's no big deal, even when it was apparent it was totally a big deal causing a huge rift between the leaders and officials saying this is serious and the public so when lockdown measures were put in place many refuses to follow creating the problem we have to day.

Biden would have been better becasue 1, the stock piles would have been replenished. He most likely would have taken the intel in Nov 2019 that something is brewing seriously and started to prepare. Biden would have accepted tests from the WHO early on. Biden wouldn't have gone on TV and acted like an ass claiming its no big deal which would have done a lot as lock-down measures were put in place. So to both sides this is once again disingenuous.

[Levelfive]

You ignore the 40k people that came in from China that were un-screened after the travel ban/restrictions were in place. He cut funding for a corona-virus research project in 2019 even though the administration knew as early as 2017 that it could pose a worldwide threat in the near future. He cut funding for the program that was keeping tabs on possible pandemic outbreaks. He has been cutting funding to the CDC since he took office. His administration had no interests in participating in a mock pandemic response during his transition. Knew the stockpiles were low before day 1 in 2017 and did jack shit to restock them. He was informed as early as Nov 2019 that something was brewing and did nothing then. He refused tests from the WHO that put us seriously behind. He also only used the DPA to slap the hands of companies he didn't like.

Then we basically went on the media acting like it's no big deal, even when it was apparent it was totally a big deal causing a huge rift between the leaders and officials saying this is serious and the public so when lockdown measures were put in place many refuses to follow creating the problem we have to day.

Biden would have been better becasue 1, the stock piles would have been replenished. He most likely would have taken the intel in Nov 2019 that something is brewing seriously and started to prepare. Biden would have accepted tests from the WHO early on. Biden wouldn't have gone on TV and acted like an ass claiming its no big deal which would have done a lot as lock-down measures were put in place. So to both sides this is once again disingenuous.

I think the refusing tests from WHO part is inaccurate--as I recall, it was actually that the WHO didn't offer because the US had never needed its tests before ("before"--BT can be a new timeline). I do think it's likely Biden would have been willing to ask for them, however, once it became clear the CDC's were defective, and also move forward with aggressive testing, without imposing disastrously short-sighted restrictions on who could be tested and who could conduct and confirm tests. Trump's eye-on-the-market willful denial and his administration's subsequent bumbling, perplexing red-tape approach incalculably exacerbated the spread. And thus the death toll.

E yet again TA: And probably wouldn't have fired officials who identified medical shortages and testing delays:

Trump Moves to Replace Watchdog Who Identified Critical Medical Shortages

"WASHINGTON — President Trump moved on Friday night to replace a top official at the Department of Health and Human Services who angered him with a report last month highlighting supply shortages and testing delays at hospitals during the coronavirus pandemic."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/u...e=articleShare

[Felya]

So in other words, rape is now totally okay.

Are you calling Reade’s neighbor, who is confirming Reade told her the story, thinks rape is totally okey... because she states Biden is the only option?

Unlike Kavanaugh vs anyone... Trump vs Hillary... you don’t have an option. That’s why conservatives who voted Trump and Kavanaugh, are exploiting you. Unlike those two times to stop diddlers, this time... you are just a pawn to get a diddler another term. Trump diddled as late as 2016... I guess Trump’s female 2020 campaign staff is lucky, thanks to corona.

Oh you know what else is great? Trump hard Mark Foley, the guy propositioning White House pages years ago, in front row of one of one of his rallies. No one cared... lol

Hey, what’s Biden’s connection to Epstein? I know Trump reddit verse is desperately looking...

[Draco-Onis]

Hey, what’s Biden’s connection to Epstein? I know Trump reddit verse is desperately looking...

With Trump we have videos of him partying with Epstein, interviews of him acknowledging he is a pedo, himself and his lawyer frequently flying with Epstein on the Lolita express to his island. Trump supporters are a joke if it wasn't clear before it is now.

[Felya]

What bothers me about the whole lets wait for things to get worse is that the people saying are probably incresibly priviledged and can wait for things to get worse. Normal people cant.

The left doesnt really care about workers when they day shit like that its about ideology

This is cognitive bias that revolves around a solution, having an intended result, being argued as unnecessary... because the outcome was successfully contained. Everyone would still be closed, because if the amount of people getting sick. The choice isn’t to open and all is well, it’s to open... without having to shut down due to sick people and have to do this again, not by choice of government... but, because there would be nowhere to go that has the healthy staff to be open.

If projecting that doing nothing, would result in X sick. When you do something to not reach X, it doesn’t mean it was going to far. The point is to not reach X, as a sign of success. The solution doesn’t have a binary choice of ‘Fail’ and ‘went too far’... that’s cognitive bias.

[Machismo]

Your vote is your own and no one else's. Do not give in to pressure from Biden shills here who are camped here every waking hours of their lives indulging in personal attacks and shaming, specifically target non-voters like you. You can easily see who are the shills planted here. It is always the same few posters who camp in here at unusually long hours and they specially target non-voters and non Biden supporters like you, labelling people are not in unison with their political outlook as "Trumpsters", racists and all other kind of insults. Their intentions are simple, to shame and pressure and blackmail undecided voters to vote for Biden. They work in pairs and groups too. You can always see the same few posters who take turns in attacking you at similar timings.

The mods here seem to be all conveniently leftists and Biden supporters as well. They are eerily similar in their political outlook and allegiance. The moderation here is extremely biased too. Posters who are non-Biden supporters and who do not agree with their political clique are constantly targeted with unfair infractions and bans when they do not actually contradict forum rules. They often give ambiguous "trolling" infractions when there are no good excuses to silence outsiders whom they do not agree with. Meanwhile people from their clique that go round attacking and making personal insults at non-voters labelling them as Trumpsters, racist and other BS go unpunished. The moderation here is absolutely despicable and disgusting. Don't think I have ever seen a more corrupted moderation anywhere else. Hope you rats are proud of yourself.

How would you know? You are brand new here. You've made some very damning claims, I hope you have the evidence to back it up.

Also, who are you voting for in November?

Welcome to the site!!!

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That stuff was before the election, and the american people already voted for Trump in spite of his crass language. This news is a new development.

You are literally proving that his comment is correct.

[Felya]

With Trump we have videos of him partying with Epstein, interviews of him acknowledging he is a pedo, himself and his lawyer frequently flying with Epstein on the Lolita express to his island. Trump supporters are a joke if it wasn't clear before it is now.

That’s the thing. Trump would know if Biden connected to Epstein, because of all the time the spent together partying. Instead, Trump sent his deep state goon squad to Ukraine, because they trusted a corrupt prosecutor.

[Machismo]

So Joe Biden now thinks people accused of sexual assault deserve due process. After a disastrous interview on a friendly network, the interviewer came up with this insight:



And the gift that keeps on giving:
Woman Claims Biden Sexually Harassed Her When She Was 14 Years Old by Complimenting Her Breasts
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...g-her-breasts/

Where were you when Trump was being accused?

That's right, shilling for Trump.

Clearly, sexual assault is not a problem for Trump supporters.

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That point is pure deflection. First, the "But Trump did X, Y, and Z" is whataboutery that awkwardly requires the person invoking "What about Trump" to admit they think either Biden is guilty or by their own previously set standards should be treated as guilty. Second, while some people might be doing that, others are merely pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of suddenly now finding ones skepticism and even luridly trying to claim Tara Reade is insane, an attention whore, or a Russian agent acting on orders from Moscow to destroy Joe Biden. It is correct to point out that Biden is getting rather shocking levels of deferential treatment, even going against his own previously held standards from the Kavannaugh hearings and he and Obama's OCR letter.

You mean like you have literally been doing for years?

[Felya]

That stuff was before the election, and the american people already voted for Trump in spite of his crass language. This news is a new development.

Trump’s staff member in 2016 is accusing him of forcing a kiss on her. She dropped the case last year, because of harassment and death threats. In 2019 alone, Trump faced 3 new accusations. Do these count as new development?

What about Trump’s ties to Epstein and what happened to him under his DOJ watch? Is that new enough?

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You mean like you have literally been doing for years?

People saying Trump is absolved of all his abuse of the past, present and future, is not whataboutism. To get to the bottom of what happened with Epstein, who has more to lose? That’s not whataboutism...

Edit: We see what Trump’s DOJ is doing about it. How about a DOJ of someone who wasn’t a frequent flyer...

[Felya]

I must say, congrats to certain posters here. They've managed to transform the thread from the shitshow it was yesterday into the absolutely raging dumpster fire it is today.

I missed out on yesterday evening and this is my posting prime time! lol

[Kasierith]

I stopped looking about 8pm GMT and only just not bothered to take a look (2pm GMT) and as bad as the thread was, it just took a nosedive lol That said, I at least learnt that some Americans don't even understand how basic things in their government work.

I'm sure they actually do, but expressing that would interfere with the developing narrative that Biden is the mastermind of everything wrong about the United States in the past three decades.

[Felya]

I'm sure they actually do, but expressing that would interfere with the developing narrative that Biden is the mastermind of everything wrong about the United States in the past three decades.

When did he topple Hillary?

[Felya]

As soon as Bernie lost, really.

Oh that communist... can you imagine how far back socialism would be set, if the energy invested in Biden, was pushed to paint Bernie and socialism as a whole... as government taking your property. I can just see them attacking Bernie over taxes. He had issues with his wife, just like Trump... Trump got elected, but can’t bring my self to vote for someone whose wife was investigated.

[NED funded]

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I dont expect much from mids considering they are internet janitors that do it for free XD

[Thepersona]

Basically, as long as they have one story they can beat into the ground that they can use to make it seem like Biden is as bad as Trump, they will do it.

It's fascinating to me that every time I've looked at Fox News over the past week, the front page story has been something about the Biden sex scandal. In this time of Coronavirus and massive public upheaval, they're just beating that dead horse over and over so their viewers can be like, "Yeah Trump is bad, but so is Biden!"

They cant show the covid death train. Because it shows that the dotard incompetence has killed more people than Vietnam.

[Saucexorzski]

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I know i'm one of those falsely labeled "alt right nazis shit posters" the mods hate and dude, you sounds ridiculous. This is their house, its their rules, their game. They like their space to be theirs. Its human nature to harm those they hate in the only HARM they have the power to do is bans/infractions. You come here knowing that.

[Rozz]

I know it can be frustrating to deal with evaders and that the process to catch their many accounts can be slow, but please be wary of accounts purposefully baiting users into fractions. I know you all have been told to treat them as "new users", but keep reporting posts that are either blatant bait or harassment and try not to engage them.

The last thing we want is for users to get caught between sweeps.

[shimerra]

I know i'm one of those falsely labeled "alt right nazis shit posters" the mods hate and dude, you sounds ridiculous. This is their house, its their rules, their game. They like their space to be theirs. Its human nature to harm those they hate in the only HARM they have the power to do is bans/infractions. You come here knowing that.

Do you ever do anything other than whine about what a sad victim you are?