Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Timester]

Wouldn't this be automatic recount territory? So no real decision either way?

Possibly. But forcing Trump to fight for Georgia, a red state, narrows the chance for him to steal the election.

[kaelleria]

Wouldn't this be automatic recount territory? So no real decision either way?

It doesn't matter TBH. Perdue will be in runoff territory. We're looking at the 2 most expensive senate races in history in January.

[MCMLXXXII]

So Trump needs to win Pennsylvania or it's over. He can win every other state but still wouldn't get him past 270

[Timester]

i hope hes right
still very nervous about arizona closing in, AP gonna get in alot of trouble calling it early for biden if trump edges out

Might not even matter, if Penn State goes to Biden. And the math seems to be there for the Biden Team.

[passingthrew]

There is no requirement for the States to deliver the results ASAP. It's generally accepted that it'll be a week or more before an official count is finalized, and that's been the case for every single election the USA has ever had.

The only difference is that the lead's usually significant enough that it's easier to call earlier in the race. This is a nail-biter not because vote counting is slow, but because the race is so close.

Your right, it's just awful having a sinking feeling in your gut for 48+ hours.

[Casterbridge]

i hope hes right
still very nervous about arizona closing in, AP gonna get in alot of trouble calling it early for biden if trump edges out

Yeah I'm worried about this too, it's going to be a mess if/when Biden picks up one of the other states and people think it's over and then Arizona possibly flips.

Nothing to do about it now I guess.

I'm just sad it's as close it is regardless, not necessarily surprised, but sad nonetheless

[Adam Jensen]

Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. John Fetterman said that his state’s ballot-counting process is “drawing to a close” and believes that the outstanding ballots will deliver the state's 20 electoral votes to Joe Biden.



Fetterman is a well-respected PA moderate, well-educated, and a long-term mayor. Hopefully he knows what he's doing.

Am I right in saying that if Biden wins PA, AZ and NV no longer matter?

253 + 20 = 273 right?

[MCMLXXXII]

Am I right in saying that if Biden wins PA, AZ and NV no longer matter?

253 + 20 = 273 right?

Yep Trump needs PA

[Grapemask]

Your right, it's just awful having a sinking feeling in your gut for 48+ hours.

Just 48 hours? I've been trying to get rid of it since November 9th, 2016.

[beanman12345]

So Trump needs to win Pennsylvania or it's over. He can win every other state but still wouldn't get him past 270

he needs to win pennsylvania, but that won't be enough for him to win. if he loses pennsylvania it'll be enough for biden to win.

[Drutt]

Am I right in saying that if Biden wins PA, AZ and NV no longer matter?

253 + 20 = 273 right?

Trump has no path to victory without PA. He has four remaining, and has to win PA in all of them.

I broke it down a page or so ago.

[Timester]

Am I right in saying that if Biden wins PA, AZ and NV no longer matter?

253 + 20 = 273 right?

Yep. If Biden wins PA, he is the next President of the United States.

[josykay]

What does Trump mean with "Big legal win" in Pennsylvania?

[passingthrew]

Just 48 hours? I've been trying to get rid of it since November 9th, 2016.

Fair point lol

[xmirrors]

What does Trump mean with "Big legal win" in Pennsylvania?

If it was anything of substance we'd be hearing about it.

[apeiron1234]

God damn almost 90% of the electorate of Wisconsin came out to vote! How about that!!!

[Thekri]

Wouldn't this be automatic recount territory? So no real decision either way?

Recounts very rarely change the results though. So yes, it can delay the results, but it likely won't change them. That is why the Biden camp feels very comfortable about Wisconsin, which is definitely going to a recount. Biden won Wisconsin, so if you just count all the votes again, you will just find that Biden won Wisconsin.

Recounts only change anything if they uncover serious issues with the voting process, and right now there aren't any serious allegations of that (I said serious ones, not counting crackpots on Twitter here).

[Breccia]

Am I right in saying that if Biden wins PA, AZ and NV no longer matter?

Well, you'd also be right in saying that if Biden wins AZ and NV, PA no longer matters.

Throw in Georgia while you're at it.

The fact of the matter is, Biden's standing is stronger if you only look at the states that have been finalized. Trump's standing is stronger if you look at those that haven't. Trump leads in too many undecided states by too much, and NV's silence is increasingly disturbing.

[MCMLXXXII]

he needs to win pennsylvania, but that won't be enough for him to win. if he loses pennsylvania it'll be enough for biden to win.

That's what i meant. Trump needs Pennsylvania and needs to "flip" Nevada. Keep counting people in PA. The sooner the world is done with Trump the better.

[Thekri]

Well, you'd also be right in saying that if Biden wins AZ and NV, PA no longer matters.

Throw in Georgia while you're at it.

The fact of the matter is, Biden's standing is stronger if you only look at the states that have been finalized. Trump's standing is stronger if you look at those that haven't. Trump leads in too many undecided states by too much, and NV's silence is increasingly disturbing.

If AZ doesn't flip, then Biden needs any of the remaining states. It doesn't actually matter which one. A win in Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania, or North Carolina would work. The only one that wouldn't actually help is Alaska, but that isn't seriously in play anyway.