Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Tuinip]

You called an anti-vaxxer a dream candidate...

There's this thing called sarcasm.

[Tuinip]

i fail to see how you aren't doing this by supporting an anti-vaxx candidate during the middle of a pandemic.

Try to understand the concept of sarcasm you stupid little cunts.

[Orange Joe]

Try to understand the concept of sarcasm you stupid little cunts.

Were you trying to say que sera sera?

[Sunseeker]

I really don't understand why anyone engages the new accounts. Especially when it's so obvious. Like, someone comes in here, makes some insightful points, responds to some other interesting points, does so regularly, well gee gosh golly it's a Christmas fucking miracle.

But this trash? Repeat it with me folks:
Ignore the burner, report the post.
Ignore the burner, report the post.
Ignore the burner, report the post.

[Felya]

The fact that you use this quote with no self-awareness at all is deeply ironic.

I don’t think you know what ironic means... do explain.

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I really don't understand why anyone engages the new accounts.

Because it’s fun. You can also usually make him say something so stupid, that he voluntarily disappears in shame.

[Sunseeker]

Because it’s fun. You can also usually make him say something so stupid, that he voluntarily disappears in shame.

I would think it would grow tedious.

[Felya]

I would think it would grow tedious.

Isn’t that just social media? There is not a lot that’s original, while these accounts give the same excuse to bullshit, as any other account. Plus, with as many account as he creates, just keeping him talking, really makes his point of view come off as less than genuine.

His adventures, make the same rhetoric, said by those with better tact, be placed under a more accurate light. I don’t know if it’s fair, since in a sense I am using him as a jester, to then point at the same argument by others as a joke, but with as many accounts as he creates... that little doubt that it might be a lot of people... kind of justifies it. It’s not one person making them look bad, it seems like 2 new accounts per day are doing the same. /shrug

[Cranping]

Isn’t that just social media? There is not a lot that’s original, while these accounts give the same excuse to bullshit, as any other account. Plus, with as many account as he creates, just keeping him talking, really makes his point of view come off as less than genuine.

His adventures, make the same rhetoric, said by those with better tact, be placed under a more accurate light. I don’t know if it’s fair, since in a sense I am using him as a jester, to then point at the same argument by others as a joke, but with as many accounts as he creates... that little doubt that it might be a lot of people... kind of justifies it.

Wow, I have never seen such a clear example of Dunning-Krueger effect in action: verywellmind.com/an-overview-of-the-dunning-kruger-effect-4160740

The truth is every single post you come out with is reflexive cut and pasting from corporate democrat talking points spoonfed to you by one of three websites. It is obvious you have never read a book, that is how limited your intelligence is. I mean, just post a quote from a single book you have read. Tell me something which happened before the last decade. You can't do it can you? . You accept at face value every single talking point presented to you by one of less than half a dozen media sources. You have no intellectual curiosity whatsoever. You have no higher understanding of any economic or social issue beyond googling it to justify your reflexive tribal hatred.

Your posts are often largely incomprehensible (see above) as you seem incapable of communicating in anything other than text speak-you clearly have low levels of formal education and probably spend most of your moronically clicking buttons on your phone in an unconscious desire for more dopamine.

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I really don't understand why anyone engages the new accounts. Especially when it's so obvious. Like, someone comes in here, makes some insightful points, responds to some other interesting points, does so regularly, well gee gosh golly it's a Christmas fucking miracle.

Most of your recent posts discuss gay frogs. I fail to see the sparkling wit and informational enlightenment you are sharing with the universe.

[Felya]

Wow, I have never seen such a clear example of Dunning-Krueger effect in action:

Actually, I in the “valley of despair” on the Dunning-Krueger chart. Because I don’t think I know more than anyone else, nor do I claim to be an expert on anything. If you think I am presenting my self with over confidence in my explanations, that’s simply a compliment due to your interpretation. You think I am intelligent and know what I am talking about, while I’m presenting as a stoned idiot. No, I am just a random internet poster, with you simply calling me smart... because... without me claiming confidence in my expertise, assertions of Dunning-Krueger is actually a compliment.

You think I’m smart... that’s awesome!

The truth is every single post you come out with is reflexive cut and pasting from corporate democrat talking points spoonfed to you by one of three websites.

Your a self proclaimed successful foreign business owner, who creates at least 2 accounts a day, because there is no one else to talk to.

[Louisa Bannon]

i would like to know how exactly the democratic party has been trending left as whole if they keep trying to run center right candidates trying to appeal to the right/far right. they've been doing this for the last 26 years at least since bill clinton. the only exception being al gore and bernie sanders along with elizabeth warren but the first one didn't win because of electoral shenanigans. and the last two failed to win the primaries so they don't really count.

Americans have lost all sense of what a real leftist political party could be. Self-proclaiming themselves "liberal" - whatever that means - is meaningless once you realize that Americans have no sense of political matters on the global scale. In the U.S. we have U.S. only definitions for ideas like a political "left" or an even more obscure term like "liberal."

I was born in the early 60s, as such I think I have a much better idea of what has been lost than folks far younger than myself. Each succeeding decade has brought the U.S. ever further to the right in extreme ways.

Just to take one issue: corporate rights. I honestly think some of what has happened could only happen in this era of brazen contempt for the citizenry. The idea that a corporation, and entirely fictive, potentially immortal entity with highly unique features, special legal accommodations including limited liability for debt, has rights similar to those of a natural person is basically just insane. I don't think this could have happened in an earlier time nor would this absurd legal assertion have stood for very long before being corrected. People today can't even conceive of the time before corporations nor of the fact that their once quite temporary charters existed to serve only a specific public good and not just to make profit.

The reason this fallacious idea stands is because of how money operates in politics.

The combination of ignorance on the part of the electorate and an utterly corrupt system in which money transcends all obstacles is why our representative democracy is failing and is almost certain to fall, probably not that long from now.

[Trunksee]

Americans have lost all sense of what a real leftist political party could be. Self-proclaiming themselves "liberal" - whatever that means - is meaningless once you realize that Americans have no sense of political matters on the global scale. In the U.S. we have U.S. only definitions for ideas like a political "left" or an even more obscure term like "liberal."

I was born in the early 60s, as such I think I have a much better idea of what has been lost than folks far younger than myself. Each succeeding decade has brought the U.S. ever further to the right in extreme ways.

Just to take one issue: corporate rights. I honestly think some of what has happened could only happen in this era of brazen contempt for the citizenry. The idea that a corporation, and entirely fictive, potentially immortal entity with highly unique features, special legal accommodations including limited liability for debt, has rights similar to those of a natural person is basically just insane. I don't think this could have happened in an earlier time nor would this absurd legal assertion have stood for very long before being corrected. People today can't even conceive of the time before corporations nor of the fact that their once quite temporary charters existed to serve only a specific public good and not just to make profit.

The reason this fallacious idea stands is because of how money operates in politics.

The combination of ignorance on the part of the electorate and an utterly corrupt system in which money transcends all obstacles is why our representative democracy is failing and is almost certain to fall, probably not that long from now.

Could it just be that the real American dream is more of a right wing idea? Maybe the country isnt as left as the progressives think. The idea of true freedom we have lived by flies right in the face of liberal socialist ideas.

[Daelak]

Could it just be that the real American dream is more of a right wing idea? Maybe the country isnt as left as the progressives think. The idea of true freedom we have lived by flies right in the face of liberal socialist ideas.

The confederacy in the south was the right wing dream, which is why they were willing to slaughter millions for it. After the right wing lost the civil war, they became subversive, using conservative rhetoric to delude people over the century and a half. Look up the candidacys of Barry Goldwater to see.

[JohnBrown1917]

Could it just be that the real American dream is more of a right wing idea? Maybe the country isnt as left as the progressives think. The idea of true freedom we have lived by flies right in the face of liberal socialist ideas.

Only in America would you actually put 2 opposing ideologies into 1 group.

[Thepersona]

Could it just be that the real American dream is more of a right wing idea? Maybe the country isnt as left as the progressives think. The idea of true freedom we have lived by flies right in the face of liberal socialist ideas.

What's the real american dream? that anyone can make it if they work hard/smart enough? You know that's a lie? That luck (being born in the right neighbourhood, making the right friends, going to the right school/college) is, in many ways, more important than hard work or being smart? You know that a good chunk of said american dream is in itself a bastardization of calvinist theology, which, in turn is founded in a fallacy (the just world fallacy)?

Marx wanted a revolution not because he was particulary concerned about solidarity or the common man. He wanted a communist society, because he thought that when people work, not because they need to, but because they want to, and when people are not being exploited by others, then they are truly free.

Also, Liberal =/= Socialist. Go to LATAM to see true socialist ideals, founded in anti colonialism (which your country did to us, by the way).

[Noxx79]

Could it just be that the real American dream is more of a right wing idea? Maybe the country isnt as left as the progressives think. The idea of true freedom we have lived by flies right in the face of liberal socialist ideas.

Yup, the true American Dream is selfishness, racism, and hate. As you have constantly demonstrated.

[Felya]

The confederacy in the south was the right wing dream, which is why they were willing to slaughter millions for it. After the right wing lost the civil war, they became subversive, using conservative rhetoric to delude people over the century and a half. Look up the candidacys of Barry Goldwater to see.

I think Goldwater was sound, outside of the race shit. He also lost, so I wouldn’t use him as an example of conservative success. I would instead point at Reagan, who much like Trump, is fighting a rhetoric war, while shitting on his constituents through policy. Goldwater wouldn’t succeed as a voice in modern conservatism. His race shit would work spectacularly, but our modern racist don’t care for nuance.

[Daelak]

I think Goldwater was sound, outside of the race shit. He also lost, so I wouldn’t use him as an example of conservative success. I would instead point at Reagan, who much like Trump, is fighting a rhetoric war, while shitting on his constituents through policy. Goldwater wouldn’t succeed as a voice in modern conservatism. His race shit would work spectacularly, but our modern racist don’t care for nuance.

He lost, however he was the first conservative to succcessfully use "states' rights" as a platform for the conservatives in the south to vote for. All republican candidates have used the same route as he did, because the message is still essentially the same.

[Felya]

He lost, however he was the first conservative to succcessfully use "states' rights" as a platform for the conservatives in the south to vote for. All republican candidates have used the same route as he did, because the message is still essentially the same.

That’s the thing, states rights wasn’t enough. The thing that made it enough, is the switch from ‘racism of lower expectations’ to Cadillac driving ‘welfare queen’.

[Trunksee]

Yup, the true American Dream is selfishness, racism, and hate. As you have constantly demonstrated.

Ummm I think a lot of you all forgot what the american dream was. You know a family, owning your own home, not being reliant on anyone else but being able to take care of oneself and ones family.

[Elegiac]

Ummm I think a lot of you all forgot what the american dream was. You know a family, owning your own home, not being reliant on anyone else but being able to take care of oneself and ones family.

Forgetting, of course, the caveat that all those things come at the expense of women and racial minorities.