Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[shimerra]

You’re right. Trump doesn’t want to take your guns away.

And he wants to give you asbestos! Remember how Trump decided what America needed was to make it easier for companies to buy and use a substance for the last 60 years we've been trying to avoid using because it's basically a giant ball of cancer? Or my personal favorite as a person with lots of family in Montana his slashing of the clean water act allowing greater levels of pollution in the smaller water ways I fish to this day!

Besides why would he take your guns? People like you aren't smart enough to realize he's robbing you blind as tax payer money flows into his family's coffers every time he golfs among other things. Kushner's company's got millions as a result of choices he made as an important COVID task leader despite no qualifications? Oops. Taking guns away from idiots too stupid to realize they're being screwed seems like wasted effort when they're already letting you screw them harder than anyone has before and thanking you for it. If I was Trump I wouldn't care about gun control either when all I had to do was throw you a hand gun and a temporary 3$ tax cut a pay check to make far more for myself.

[Captain N]

Besides why would he take your guns? People like you aren't smart enough to realize he's robbing you blind as tax payer money flows into his families coffers every time he golfs among other incidents. Taking guns away from idiots too stupid to realize they're being screwed seems like wasted effort.

Considering his supporters, you know those devout 2A supporters who oppose tyrannical government, support the very authoritarianism they claim not to. There's no reason to take their guns.

[Ripster42]

I said the phone call wasn't an impeachable offense considering we let a past past president have an affair with an intern. It doesn't mean I don't think he should be impeached. He murdered a general on foreign soil using a drone almost sparking all out war.

You may think one of those is acceptable and the other is not, but the Dems can't act all defensive about it when they literally did the exact same shit 2 decades ago. A lot of them are the exact same people.

I don't know how to tell you this, but "having an affair with an intern and lying about it" isn't explicitly mentioned separate and distinct from "high crimes and misdemeanors" in the constitution. Bribery is.

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So did the Ukraine president lie? He said he didn't feel blackmailed.

Or is it still tied to Trump's abuse of power and something the Ukraine government can't afford to speak out against over fear of retaliation?

Something that certainly wasn't done at all when the most powerful man on earth had an on going affair with an intern. 100% different in every single way. #MeToo

Did the president of ukraine lie when his country still needed weapons from a man known to enact retribution for slights? Yes. What kind of stupid question is this? Why are you posing this as some kind multiple choice question when the answer is obvious? The ukrainians knew that aid was being held up. An important correction: trump's actions constituted soliciting a bribe.

Again, lying about an affair with an intern is not explicitly listed separate from "high crimes and misdemeanors" in the constitution.

[the game]

This is a great motivational speech and the guy is right about everything.






A vote for biden will be a vote for a tyrannical puppet leader.

[Machismo]

This is a great motivational speech and the guy is right about everything.






A vote for biden will be a vote for a tyrannical puppet leader.

So, why do you support a tyrant like Trump?

[Ursus]

Heil Hitler!

Wow dude, seriously?

[Thekri]

A vote for biden will be a vote for a tyrannical puppet leader.

Some impressive mental shennigans going on here, coupled with a bunch of assumptions. If those assumptions were true, then you would be correct, but there is no evidence to suggest they are.

1) China is bad
2) China controls Biden
3) Trump is tough on China

Therefore voting for Biden instead of Trump is bad for America.

If all three assumptions are true, your conclusion is correct. #1 is on pretty solid rational grounds, as we have a lot of evidence for that, although "Bad" is always going to be subjective, I would say it is a fair conclusion. #2 is a crazy conspiracy theory that has zero basis in fact, and #3 is a laughably and provably false. Trump praised Xi for the Corona-virus response in February! It takes some crazy revisionist history to erase that. He has repeatedly praised China's authoritarian crackdowns, he and his family have massive business dealings in China (Several Magnitudes of order great then the Bidens), his trade deals have been a failure, and he is documented as even praising China's response to Tienanmen Square Protests. You know, where they just shot everyone.

But yes, in a Parallel universe where Biden is a chinese puppet, you shouldn't vote for him. That just isn't our universe.

[Blur4stuff]

Yeah China is so bad Trump had all his merchandise made there and his family still continues doing business with them and trading favors for patents, etc...

[Thepersona]

This is a great motivational speech and the guy is right about everything.






A vote for biden will be a vote for a tyrannical puppet leader.

I hope Putin pays a lot for all of this trolling. I'm being sincere about this.

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Considering his supporters, you know those devout 2A supporters who oppose tyrannical government, support the very authoritarianism they claim not to. There's no reason to take their guns.

2A people dont give an actual fuck about Tyrannical governments, as long as said governments let them keep their penis enlargement tools.

[cubby]

Heil Hitler! Vote for the child rapist! Your ridiculous attempt to impugn my character with such deluded nonsense says a hell of a lot about you and just how unhinged and irrational you've become. Wake up.

I...how...well, that seems to clarify everything that we already had gleaned from his post history.

[Underverse]

Biden a Chinese puppet leader? What a joke. I expect nothing less from Q anon fanatics though. Trump is extremely conflicted with China given that he has a lot of direct business interests there including manufacturing. The conflict for Biden is what, that his son is on the board of a Chinese company? That pales in comparison.

Everyone mostly agrees that China is heading towards Nazi Germany 2.0. Trump is by FAR the worst person to handle that situation - just look at how he's treated our allies and removed us from the world stage in so many ways (WHO, climate convention, etc). The US will need a coalition in order to stand up to China - we just can't compete with a country that has 4x our population and the first efficient centralized government in the world. Trump will only isolate us more by alienating us from our allies until it's too late to heal those relationships and leverage them against China's aggression. Regardless of his intentions, his approach will end up with all of us speaking mandarin.

[Dontrike]

This is a great motivational speech and the guy is right about everything.


[video=youtube;zDqYMXxH09Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDqYMXxH09Y[/vieo]



A vote for biden will be a vote for a tyrannical puppet leader.

Yeah, Trump is so tough on China, so much so that he's fucked the trade war and tariffs and done really nothing to them whatsoever while having all of his shit made there.

[Thekri]

Biden a Chinese puppet leader? What a joke. I expect nothing less from Q anon fanatics though. Trump is extremely conflicted with China given that he has a lot of direct business interests there including manufacturing. The conflict for Biden is what, that his son is on the board of a Chinese company? That pales in comparison.

Everyone mostly agrees that China is heading towards Nazi Germany 2.0. Trump is by FAR the worst person to handle that situation - just look at how he's treated our allies and removed us from the world stage in so many ways (WHO, climate convention, etc). The US will need a coalition in order to stand up to China - we just can't compete with a country that has 4x our population and the first efficient centralized government in the world. Trump will only isolate us more by alienating us from our allies until it's too late to heal those relationships and leverage them against China's aggression. Regardless of his intentions, his approach will end up with all of us speaking mandarin.

Uh, no. Only crazy people think that, or people that really have no idea what Nazi Germany was. China is nothing like that, the US is a closer comparison to Nazi Germany, and that is even a hell of a stretch. Nazi Germany was the result of a populist, nationalistic, fascist regime coming to power on a groundswelling of popular support and dramatic cultural change. Its existence was marked by extreme levels of military aggression, social and economic upheaval, and ethnic cleansing. China checks possibly one of those boxes.

China is a older, mature government that has controlled its territory since the late 1940s. It has struggled to reinvent itself, but it is fundamentally conservative in nature, not interested in the radical changes that marked Nazi Germany. It has no interest in world conquest, only solidifying its place in the world. Ruling foriegn nations isn't in China's interest or philosophy, it never had the ambitions for global communism the Soviets had. Its ethnic cleansing campaign is driven from social and economic factors, not ideological ones. The Uyghurs tendency to cling to their traditional culture, values, and religion is a threat to state authority, and is thus repressed. The fact China is fundamentally an ethno-state of Han Chinese makes political repression of non-Han regional minorities a political non-issue. These aren't neighbors to the bulk of the population like the Jews were, these are distant people on the frontiers of China, people that the average resident of Beijing or Shanghai couldn't give less of a fuck about.

China is immoral, but not apocalyptic evil. All nations are immoral to some extent, China just has a different threshold of behaviors it limits itself too. China doesn't want to rule the world, it wants to dominate it more like how the US has done since the 1940s. It doesn't want to live in anyone shadow, it doesn't want its economy to depend on the whims of another government. Part of that is exerting dominance over its immediate neighbors, and part of it is expanding its economic emphasis. However, there is no real possibility of "us all speaking mandarin". China is a rival, not an existential threat. Stop trying to make it into a Call of Duty game.

[Edge-]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/republ...s-for-60-years

After over half a century of "SOCIALISM!" pearl clutching, Republicans are bound to be right one of these days. Aaaannnnnyyyy day now.

[Benggaul]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/republ...s-for-60-years

After over half a century of "SOCIALISM!" pearl clutching, Republicans are bound to be right one of these days. Aaaannnnnyyyy day now.

As soon as they're done destroying Social Security--after collecting themselves. Then they'll point to it and say "SEE? Socialism doesn't work!"

[VamosH]

So is not voting for Biden a vote for Trump？I'm torn.

[Machismo]

So is not voting for Biden a vote for Trump？I'm torn.

What state do you live in?

[Thepersona]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/republ...s-for-60-years

After over half a century of "SOCIALISM!" pearl clutching, Republicans are bound to be right one of these days. Aaaannnnnyyyy day now.

Speaking of socialism, do they know that the world at large is moving towards social democracy/socialism? Because for us, Neoliberalism is dead, and should be buried for ever.

[NED funded]

Speaking of socialism, do they know that the world at large is moving towards social democracy/socialism? Because for us, Neoliberalism is dead, and should be buried for ever.

Neoliberalism is dead is like the most latam lefty thing to say

Remember when it died with Evo and then he got ousted??

Remember when it died with the whole Pink Wave and all of its leaders are now under some serious corruption investigations??

[Thepersona]

Neoliberalism is dead is like the most latam lefty thing to say

Remember when it died with Evo and then he got ousted??

Remember when it died with the whole Pink Wave and all of its leaders are now under some serious corruption investigations??

a) Remember that there have been like 40 countries with wide ranging protests (anti government/anti system) in the planet, just last year?

b) Remember that my country, the cradle of neoliberal policies, wants just to kill it at last, mr neolib?

c) Remember that Evo got ousted in a coup (even when he was corrupt as hell, a coup is still a coup), by a faction supported by the US, and US business interests?

d) Remember that the US credibility is at all time low, mr neolib?