Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[DingDongKing]

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You're 100% right, but you're talking to someone who's literally derailing thread after thread with mistruths and lies. Just ignore him. I have.

[Dontrike]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh please god just keep him in the basement

https://twitter.com/besf0rt/status/1300527947586174976

*Looks at Trump unable to say the word origin and has verbal diarrhea for five minutes straight multiple times in a two hour speech.* You're right, Biden is much worse.

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It is better then the alternative.

Exacerbating the issue means that it got worse and therefore it wasn't better than it was previously.

The riots have lost all justification.

Riots and protests are different. No one wants any riot.

[DingDongKing]

*Looks at Trump unable to say the word origin and has verbal diarrhea for five minutes straight multiple times in a two hour speech.* You're right, Biden is much worse.

Said it before, I'll say it again. Just ignore the concern trolls. Does Biden say weird shit sometimes? Yes. Does that mean he won't be able to do the job on a day to day basis? No. Does Trump say hateful shit all the time? Yes. Does that mean he's unable to do the job on a day to basis? He can't do the job even if he doesn't say hateful shit. Anyone trying to make a case against Biden based on this is straw clutching.

[DingDongKing]

Even if he wouldn't be able to do the job, you could still trust him to listen to the people who know what should be done. Meanwhile the only people you can trust Trump to listen to is Qanon. He doesn't even listen to Fox anymore.

He's gone off the deep end tbh.

Tbh, anyone living on this planet will have to deal with the consequences.

Agreed. I'm in the UK, but this is such a pivotal election because it functions as a permissions structure for the rest of the world.

if Trump manages to rig elections in the USA to promote his authoritarian agenda, all the crazies in other countries will know they can too.

[Felya]

Which policy is more universally supported overall?

Why is Trump arguing that Biden secretly supports Medicare for all? These arguments don’t make any sense...

[Paranoid Android]

Biden: "I condemn all violence"

Trump: "Violence by Trump supporters, not so bad".

Pretty clear if you don't like the protests and the violence you think that happens and who to vote for.

[DingDongKing]

I mean it's less abou that. It will certainly be a red flag for all authoritarian and far right parties that they can be succesful however overt they may be in their agenda which can lead to incidents of violence. It will also mean that US influence will keep disintegrating and that would mean aggressive states like e.g. Erdogan's Turkey will keep on with their aggression unafraid of US intervention (because let's face it, the EU is toothless). And it would mean that China would take further action to solidify its place in the world. Plus the world economy would go even further down the shitter.

In general the geopolitical consequences are going to be...yuge.

[Shalcker]

Anyone living in the US will have to deal with the consequences of the outcome regardless of whether they care enough to vote.

Maybe it is best to focus on getting local powers/House/Senate that can counteract Trump's "consequences" rather then hitching your hopes on another boomer.

The "wait for the right bus", in practice, does not exist at this juncture.

How else would you persuade them to change their route if their existing one will not fail (again)?

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Why is Trump arguing that Biden secretly supports Medicare for all? These arguments don’t make any sense...

Because for his bus it's image of "look at those crazies driving toward the cliff".

[Felya]

Because for his bus it's image of "look at those crazies driving toward the cliff".

What bus? It’s the same electorate... why do you think that the path to victory for both Trump and Biden is the same? How can both you and Trump be right, where you think supporting medicare for all will help Biden, while Trump is spending millions because saying Biden secretly supports it, will help Trump win? How can both be true? That doesn’t make any sense...

Edit: Are there any other Trump attacks that you want Biden to agree with? Is this a new tact to get elected, by leaning in to negative ads? Seems kinda... I don’t know... counter productive?

Edit 2: Been asking this question for at least 3 days and now 4 different people that make this same argument, same answer... *fart noise*... Have you put 0 thought into this assertion? Can’t you explain the rational that made you make the assertion in the first place? or is this just regurgitating shit you see on social media?

[Shalcker]

What bus? It’s the same electorate... why do you think that the path to victory for both Trump and Biden is the same? How can both you and Trump be right, where you think supporting medicare for all will help Biden, while Trump is spending millions because saying Biden secretly supports it, will help Trump win? How can both be true? That doesn’t make any sense...

Because M4A is supported primarily by Democrats and Independents (though Republican support is still quite substantial - as long as you don't get into details of how it is likely to be achieved).

Trump preaches it to Republicans as another scary plot by Democrats to get Democrat government to meddle in their lives.

M4A being mentioned by Trump doesn't help Biden because everyone who cares about it on all sides is aware that Biden doesn't provide it even token support.

[Felya]

Because M4A is supported primarily by Democrats and Independents (though Republican support is still quite substantial - as long as you don't get into details of how it is likely to be achieved).

Then why is Trump arguing that Biden is secretly supporting it? Why is Trump trying to sway Democrats, Independents and a quite substantial part of republicans, to support Biden? You are not making any sense...

M4A being mentioned by Trump doesn't help Biden because everyone who cares about it on all sides is aware that Biden doesn't provide it even token support.

Trump is mentioning it and spending millions to mention it, because he knows no one believes him? lol

Edit: What’s next? Demand that Biden agrees with Trump that he wants to destroy western civilization? WTF?

Edit 2: Is there any other time, where agreeing with your opponents attack ads, was a legitimate road to victory and not being a supporter of your opponent? Oh wait... I just remembered one... It’s Medvedev versus Putin... oh bud, that’s why the confusion... Biden is not Trump’s bitch to make this argument, like Medvedev was for Putin... Unlike Medvedev, Biden is not trying to help his opponent win.

[downnola]

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...ote-for-biden/

Let's have a moment of silence for Trumps loss of what should have been his most reliable demographic.

[Felya]

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...ote-for-biden/

Let's have a moment of silence for Trumps loss of what should have been his most reliable demographic.

That’s a salty meatball... I might be wrong, but the whole sending troop to US cities, didn’t play out well.

[downnola]

That’s a salty meatball... I might be wrong, but the whole sending troop to US cities, didn’t play out well.

Mattis resigning and Trump's cozing up to Kim Jong-un left a bad taste in a lot of service members mouths. The Marines I know love Mattis so it doesn't surprise me that their opinion of Trump would sour after he resigned.

[Fahrenheit]

Mattis resigning and Trump's cozing up to Kim Jong-un left a bad taste in a lot of service members mouths. The Marines I know love Mattis so it doesn't surprise me that their opinion of Trump would sour after he resigned.

Abandoning the Kurds was a big one. Trump's a fucking chicken-hawk pussy, all talk, no go.

[Felya]

Abandoning the Kurds was a big one. Trump's a fucking chicken-hawk pussy, all talk, no go.

Up near Seattle, his funding of the wall, by using military funding, closed on campus schools for military kids. Did not make folks happy...

[Sunseeker]

Why would people get on the bus that doesn't stop on their bus stop?

When the driver even said that if by some miracle bus will be driving past it he will never stop there?

Why would anyone give a shit what a Russian thinks of the American elections?

[Shalcker]

Then why is Trump arguing that Biden is secretly supporting it? Why is Trump trying to sway Democrats, Independents and a quite substantial part of republicans, to support Biden? You are not making any sense...

First, you're apparently saying that everything Trump does has to make perfect sense. That's pretty bold claim.

Second, as far as i see Trump isn't trying to sway anyone not already on his side with that.

Trump is mentioning it and spending millions to mention it, because he knows no one believes him? lol

Well, do you believe him?

Who exactly do you think does?

[Milchshake]

Hello fans of Democracy and common decency. Here's some daily cheer!

Polls get you down? Did you realize the pundits were circlejerking over 2 Ramussen polls and and Emerson poll?
Who releases 2 polls over a convention weekend .... in the summer?
The same try-hard that starts socialism bad threads. They spend their weekends pwning the narrative instead of hanging out with friends.

Today's poll releases: USC/Dornsife: Biden +10, Biden +9;
Morning Consult: Biden +8/+9;
Léger (Canada) Biden +7;
Atlas Intel Biden +3. Avg: Biden + 7.7.
Take out that garbage Atlas poll and it's Biden +8.6.

Pennsylvania Poll:
Biden 53% (+10)
Trump 43%
@GSG/ @ClimatePower/@LCVoters (D) 8/13-19

[Thekri]

Mattis resigning and Trump's cozing up to Kim Jong-un left a bad taste in a lot of service members mouths. The Marines I know love Mattis so it doesn't surprise me that their opinion of Trump would sour after he resigned.

We talked about it before, it doesn't really matter much, but for what it is worth, you might notice Trump's support only dropped 3%. That isn't very much. The difference is that in 2016, the military loved Gary Johnson. For reasons that were not entirely clear to me even at the time. This time there isn't a serious third part candidate, and Biden picked up pretty much the entire group.

The total votes involved here are basically zero. Active military voter participation rates are about 26%, less then half the civilian turnout. So that is 338,000 voters spread across the entire US. Of those, about 10% come from US territories, so they can vote, but not for the President. So that is about 300,000 voters. The military also has the highest non-counted rate of all voters, by far. In 2006, only 1/3 of requested ballots were actually returned on time, because of huge delays in states issuing them, and troops returning them on time. This improved, but by 2018 it was still only about half. So that is 150,000 voters spread between all 50 states (Weighted by population and military participation obviously). Of those 150,000, a certain number will not have any federal candidates marked, due to a tradition not to do so (That is not universal, I am not even going to guess a percentage here, but it is a decent number).

Finally we factor in Trump's drop of 3% support. Total vote change is 4,500 votes spread across all fifty states. Heavily weighted towards poorer, already red states like Alabama, South Carolina, and Georgia, as well as the largest ones, like Texas, New York, and California.

Not exactly a significant trend. Biden fairs better, since he gets about double Hillary's support so that is about 30,000 more votes with the same distribution. Still not that significant.

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Why would anyone give a shit what a Russian thinks of the American elections?

Well they are pretty good at running their own elections. Very organized, everyone knows who is going to win years in advance! None of this messy chaotic election season stuff.