the only type of twinking that wasn't stupid was doing arenas at lower level when you were able to queue for them back in the days. I did a bunch of lvl 70 arenas in cata.. it was fun because of how much higher your stats were cuz you could use wrath/cata enchangs/gems for extra stats. You obviously didn't get titles for it, but it had it's own ladder with actual ratings and mmr
you also didn't lose that many abilities comparatively. Playing lvl 19 for example is fun for like a day, but soon you realize that you just press 2 abilities and if you're not a rogue or a hunter you're just inferior
consdering that i'm super against ability pruning i legit don't get the point of playing at super low levels, because you have way fewer abilities and it makes gameplay super dull and boring
what is sad, is blizzard allowing this. blizzard stopped x9 level xp off twinks from joining levelers, i had a leveler in a BG other day, two players on my team were seriously enchanted with some epics, full blown enchants, +15 stat alch flask (a perma flask alch make at 300) they were 39s in 30-39 xp on bracket, what made it obvious they were xp off, they were flagged with the pink and white XP reduction buff box. even BOA enchanted levelers stand no chance.
the opposing team had a DH who was a FC, when a player is capped at 120, they are considered XP on. even pruned to low level they have ultility, mobility, and abilities that classes at the level can not counter in the 30-39
party sync abuse is rampant in BGs, blizzard system, circumvents the changes splitting xp on/off months into start of BFA
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yes, i know...but DH and DK still have utility, mobility, abilities etc, that non hero classes can not reasonably counter
The only thing you need is the WoD PvP gear systems and that's it. It's the best solution to pvp gearing they ever had that answered in a satisfactory manner all questions asked (accessibility, power-curve, progression within pvp, PvP vs PvE geared players etc), but they completely abandoned it in Legion because we can't have deterministic gearing systems in an RNG-fiesta of an expansion.
Best bet is likely to bring back pure PvP gear with certain stats only for that. So in the beginning you might lose health quickly etc and as you slowly get geared your char gets better and stronger.
I have never been a high end pvp player but I have always done alot of bgs and sometimes Arena. I quite liked having to work for pvp gear and over time get stronger and stronger. I expected to be weak in the beginning but over time i'd get stronger.
Impossible to get a epic bg before max level, normal bgs pop though.
Do you hear the voices too?
You're creating the narrative instead of reporting what happened. What happened was that twinks found how to boost their gear as much as possible, as they always do, and stomped everyone else regardless of the restrictions and more even gear. Then they turned it back since it obviously didn't matter.
Just to be absolutely clear. I'm not saying twinks are better or worse players, but they are more experienced in their bracket. The same way someone leveling their character to the endgame the first time won't be successful right off the bat. Complaining about someone beating you when they've literally played at that specific bracket 100-1000 times longer than you seems silly. You'd obliterate most of them at endgame, emphasis on most.
My buddy has over 3 million killing blows in the 19 bracket, I played both endgame and twink battles back when I played myself... I don't even have 250k myself, but I'm more of a jack of all trades and master of none.
Last edited by AtotehZ; 2020-06-21 at 10:19 AM.
Calling twinks' experience the factor that gives them the edge in their bracket is a bit of a... stretch.
They'll know what abilities and talents are available in their given bracket but that is something most anyone will quickly figure out after a few BGs. Their obvious advantage is the higher iLevel and all the pots and buff food that they've spent much time accumulating.
Edit: On topic, you queue times will vary depending on your faction, bracket, and region.
It takes hours for random BGs to pop on German servers.
Last edited by Lodravel; 2020-06-23 at 11:17 AM.
It really isn't. You get extremely intimate with exactly how much each class is able to dish out, exactly what the mana requirement of each class of healer is, exactly who can reach you from where and so on. It's something that's almost impossible to get down to a T in endgame because there are so many variables, but in lower brackets people do this.
Absolutely, but what the 'itemlvl' change showed us is that gear didn't really matter as much as people thought. Twinks still ruled their brackets.
XP on - BGs pop for my alliance in 2-7 minute range, my horde double to triple that
XP off - you will get no BG pops, infinite que time.
there are twinks though in XP on 20-29 bracket, and XP on 110 level only bracket for legion capped accounts ( BFA levelers will not encounter these 110's)
20-29 XP on bracket has the blizzard sanctioned twinks in two forms
- veteran 20 twinks unsubbed are generally full blown enchanted twinks with max eng helms and items, max alch for +11 stat flask in BG scaled
- free to play 20 twinks known as FTP 20s on trial accounts. they only have a few working minor or lesser enchants, they generally have all slots filled which causes a issue for levelers missing trinkets, rings, gear, or still wearing low level whites or greens still
levelers with full enchants on BOAs and all slots filled will have little or no issues with FTP 20s, but when it comes to dealing veteran 20 twinks your enchanted BOAs will not overcome them due to BOAs lacking versatility compared to the gear veteran 20 twinks have farmed, or made (eng helms)
my advice if you are leveling, stay out of the xp on 20-29 bracket. you can get lucky and win alot being carried due to having more twinks on your team, or alot of severe lopsided painful oses
Last edited by pinkz; 2020-06-26 at 12:32 AM.
Yeah, there's a simple explanation for that.
Non-twinks are usually quite bad at PvP. They're not pvpers! A few of them, sure, but the vast majority is a bunch of noobs and anyone with a little experience will mow right through them.
Gear always mattered, even when we had stat templates. The iLvl difference was great enough most of the time to make quite the difference.
I know from experience. All I've been playing is PvP for a decade and that don't matter, twinks will be twinks. Even during Legion, you could only defeat them with a lot of luck, no matter your skill.
There's Party Sync, enabling fully geared level 120's to queue into leveling battlegrounds. I saw people decked in 475 ilvl gear in my level 37 bg. How the heck? How is this any different to twinking? Sure they are scaled down and they have some of their abilities disabled but still.
Horde has sooooo many more queueing but it's horde i had very imbalanced bgs on. I'm talking about 7 vs 10 in Kotmogu. How i am supposed to win this? It's like literally 3 enemy players per our 2.
Blizzard doesn't care about low level stuff. Gotta pump out that new content!
True, it just mattered less than more than 90% whine about.
I always play with my friends when I play. So when people say that taking the gear away from us will somehow allow them to fuck us up... No it won't. It'll be the exact same story, we'll just play more careful.
I admit that some scenarios put twinks in a really overpowered position. Like when Blizzard open lower brackets up to bugs. I've seen a lvl 19 paladin and warrior with more than 5k HP and ~500Dps while most enemies had 800-1100hp. That's messed up, but as a twink you go for it and count on it to be fixed.
Last edited by AtotehZ; 2020-06-26 at 05:05 PM.
I know for a fact I don't touch low level bgs with a forty foot robot arm that's being controlled remotely from the other side of the universe.
All they are is lagfests from the opposite faction using third party software to try to DC your faction for an easy win.
You know fucked up shit is going on when you have a better time staying connected to the battle ground in the corruption infested RNGfest of max level brackets then you do low level brackets.
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if they were rewarding xp wise like dungeons then it would be poppin