Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Vorkreist]

No. And I linked several pictures of him with several white supremacists. You have the Proud Boys, the Boogaloo Boys, who have committed several terrorist attacks, and Donald Trump.

I'm sorry you don't like the truth, but it doesn't change the fact that he is a white supremacist.

Thanks for the confirmation.

[s_bushido]

Thanks for the confirmation.

Holy crap. Did someone just admit that the guy hanging out with white supremacists doesn't have legal grounds to complain when people call him one? It's a Christmas miracle!

[Machismo]

Thanks for the confirmation.

You asked for evidence that was already presented. Does this mean you are confirming that evidence, or simply your own bias?

[Vorkreist]

You asked for evidence that was already presented. Does this mean you are confirming that evidence, or simply your own bias?

That is not evidence and maybe stop with that cringe still pretending you don't know the reason why those racist idiots wanted to take pictures with him instead of still pretending he had daily kkk meetings way before the incident.

Still waiting for that explosive proof that for some reason you don't want to share with the prosecutors.

[Machismo]

That is not evidence and maybe stop with that cringe still pretending you don't know the reason why those racist idiots wanted to take pictures with him instead of still pretending he had daily kkk meetings way before the incident.

Still waiting for that explosive proof that for some reason you don't want to share with the prosecutors.

It is evidence, as is his desire to join up with TPUSA, a group famous for pushing ethno-nationalistic bullshit.

Being racist isn't against the law...

People are are allowed to judge others by their beliefs and actions. What would be "explosive proof" to you? I want to know exactly where that goalpost is.

[Draco-Onis]

It is evidence, as is his desire to join up with TPUSA, a group famous for pushing ethno-nationalistic bullshit.

Being racist isn't against the law...

People are are allowed to judge others by their beliefs and actions. What would be "explosive proof" to you? I want to know exactly where that goalpost is.

He could be caught in a Hitler costume doing the salute and they would say he was just playing or trolling the libs. There is no "explosive" proof good enough because they are fine with these people.

[Endus]

That is not evidence

Still not grasping that "evidence" and "conclusive proof beyond any doubt" are not synonyms?

It's clearly "evidence". Whether you find it convincing is entirely irrelevant. Nobody has to convince you of anything.

[tehdang]

You mean where they have had several chapters shut down for their racism? They have, are you this dense on purpose?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnin...on_on_campuses

At least 5 colleges right there that have removed TPUSA's chapter from their schools for racism.

This doesn't include the illegal campaign activity they have committed as well.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/conser...paign-activity
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...paign-activity

You act like Rittenhouse only accepted a speaking engagement because he knew several of their chapters got shut down for racism. Which is fine for ideological zealots, I suppose, but very meager for convincing anybody that doesn't already agree with you.

I have suspicions that tehdang is a burner account who is starting to deliberately post in bad faith. The account was created in 2015 and then went unused for the entirety of 2016 and 2017, came back in 2018 and then went dormant for all of 2019 and 2020 before coming back in 2021. He's been the most active this year than any of the other times he showed up, makes me wonder if his other account got permabanned.

Yes, the only reason somebody will point out that all these "confirmed" accusations are based on a load of sand is because the poster is acting in bad faith.

Post flimsy evidence, spin it as important evidence, and claim anybody that disagrees is acting in bad faith.

Mainstream GOP views are white supremacy views. Not sure what your point is. (It is also shortsighted profiteering right now at the cost of everyone not in power).

-I've got no horse in this particular race. I'm Swedish. But I can observe and see what's said and how it's said by whom. I point out that the Sweden Democrats are facists all the time and get hate for being "PC" for that so.

From postman's "It's mental gymnastics to claim my claims are just like making mainstream GOP views into more proof of white supremacy" to "Actually, mainstream GOP views are white supremacy views" in, like, a day.

Regardless of which side you are on in politics, the people opposite your side are evil, scum, and/or fascist (from both of their respective points of view). This is why in America, most politicians on the right don't have to campaign on what they will do or not do, it's simply that they're not (insert my "left" opponent here) who is an evil socialist that wants to take all your money and cancel your police force.

Step 2: Saying the right is basically all white supremacists, and being associated with right-wing orgs is proof of white supremacy, is the left wing's version of all Democrats are basically socialists and commies. A dozen Democrats have decreased police budgets with the obvious result of increasing crime, therefore party membership is identical to defund police, ACAB, Antifa, etc because of overlap of beliefs and mutual support.

I am aware of the true believers that see white supremacists in their grocery store cashier, gas station attendant, uncle at Thanksgiving, Twitch gaming streamer. I am not accusing them of behaving in bad faith in propounding this ideology in a forum. I'm asserting that it's a very black and white way of viewing a gray world, and it makes them politically clueless, and causes them to miss the real reasons why they lack political power or why their agendas stagnate in all but the most blue states and metros. Their true place in this world is to scream White Supremacists at their equals, who will scream Commies back at them like they're in a call and response music recording.

That is not evidence and maybe stop with that cringe still pretending you don't know the reason why those racist idiots wanted to take pictures with him instead of still pretending he had daily kkk meetings way before the incident.

Still waiting for that explosive proof that for some reason you don't want to share with the prosecutors.

They're supernatural beings and can divine the motives behind every photograph, peering into the soul.

He declared support for Andrew Yang and BLM to legions of admirers that want to make him a hero. The kind of perverse deduction shown here would have him be a crazed Yang supporter swayed by #YangGang rhetoric and BLM activist who committed Kenosha terrorism in neoliberalism's name, before switching sides in the aftermath. Both things actually came out of his mouth in interviews, instead of relying on people he was pictured with. So if the forum mainstream is playing the game of only-accept-the-evidence-that-confirms-my-instincts-about-him (very Trumpian if you ask me), then why are you all surprised about skepticism about your approach and trying to deny its application?

[Edge-]

You act like Rittenhouse only accepted a speaking engagement because he knew several of their chapters got shut down for racism. Which is fine for ideological zealots, I suppose, but very meager for convincing anybody that doesn't already agree with you.

The chapters being shut down for racism, and the rather overt racism of the overall organization, isn't exactly any kind of secret. It's quite public. And usually, one does some basic due diligence about an organization before taking a paid speaking gig on their behalf. Any casual search would have turned up this behavior, in addition to TPUSA's illegal election related activities, which would usually be enough for folks who don't at least sympathize with white supremacists to tell them to fuck off.

Or take the money and spend the whole time excoriating racism in the hopes they #cancel you and kick you off the stage. I doubt he'll be doing that, but we'll see.

But again, this is fairly basic shit that you are, once more, carrying water for racists.

[Machismo]

You act like Rittenhouse only accepted a speaking engagement because he knew several of their chapters got shut down for racism. Which is fine for ideological zealots, I suppose, but very meager for convincing anybody that doesn't already agree with you.

Yes, the only reason somebody will point out that all these "confirmed" accusations are based on a load of sand is because the poster is acting in bad faith.

Post flimsy evidence, spin it as important evidence, and claim anybody that disagrees is acting in bad faith.

From postman's "It's mental gymnastics to claim my claims are just like making mainstream GOP views into more proof of white supremacy" to "Actually, mainstream GOP views are white supremacy views" in, like, a day.


Step 2: Saying the right is basically all white supremacists, and being associated with right-wing orgs is proof of white supremacy, is the left wing's version of all Democrats are basically socialists and commies. A dozen Democrats have decreased police budgets with the obvious result of increasing crime, therefore party membership is identical to defund police, ACAB, Antifa, etc because of overlap of beliefs and mutual support.

I am aware of the true believers that see white supremacists in their grocery store cashier, gas station attendant, uncle at Thanksgiving, Twitch gaming streamer. I am not accusing them of behaving in bad faith in propounding this ideology in a forum. I'm asserting that it's a very black and white way of viewing a gray world, and it makes them politically clueless, and causes them to miss the real reasons why they lack political power or why their agendas stagnate in all but the most blue states and metros. Their true place in this world is to scream White Supremacists at their equals, who will scream Commies back at them like they're in a call and response music recording.

They're supernatural beings and can divine the motives behind every photograph, peering into the soul.

He declared support for Andrew Yang and BLM to legions of admirers that want to make him a hero. The kind of perverse deduction shown here would have him be a crazed Yang supporter swayed by #YangGang rhetoric and BLM activist who committed Kenosha terrorism in neoliberalism's name, before switching sides in the aftermath. Both things actually came out of his mouth in interviews, instead of relying on people he was pictured with. So if the forum mainstream is playing the game of only-accept-the-evidence-that-confirms-my-instincts-about-him (very Trumpian if you ask me), then why are you all surprised about skepticism about your approach and trying to deny its application?

You are simply trying to play the victim card, while rationalizing bad decision after bad decision.

You Trumpsters will never stop moving goalposts, because it's all you really have left.

No amount of evidence will suffice.

[tehdang]

The chapters being shut down for racism, and the rather overt racism of the overall organization, isn't exactly any kind of secret. It's quite public. And usually, one does some basic due diligence about an organization before taking a paid speaking gig on their behalf. Any casual search would have turned up this behavior, in addition to TPUSA's illegal election related activities, which would usually be enough for folks who don't at least sympathize with white supremacists to tell them to fuck off.

Or take the money and spend the whole time excoriating racism in the hopes they #cancel you and kick you off the stage. I doubt he'll be doing that, but we'll see.

The logic actually flows fine, once you find that first you assume Rittenhouse is a white supremacist racist, and find a way that every decision could be made stemming from internal racism and white supremacy.

I posted the upcoming TPUSA booking for one specific reason. There's no need for all the bullshit yarn strung between thumbtacks on the wall when he's going to be giving a speech not too long from now. He has a mostly right-wing, minority center-right audience that he can explain himself to. He most likely sticks to the easy evidence that the left opposes gun rights, wants to criminalize ordinary citizens (that make bad decisions), and opposes the justice system when it gives the wrong results. Whatever else he adds to that, or if there's Q&A, that's the big stuff to judge him on and form a more complete picture of his views.

But again, this is fairly basic shit that you are, once more, carrying water for racists.

Similar sentiments from here. The whole "how dare you" act reveals some pesky doubts in your head about the value of discussion and debating topics without first assuming nobody can debate against you without being a villain. Propagandize, fine go for it, but don't inhale your own supply so much.

You are simply trying to play the victim card, while rationalizing bad decision after bad decision.

You Trumpsters will never stop moving goalposts, because it's all you really have left.

No amount of evidence will suffice.

Machismo: Only a white supremacist would say such things. You're defending white supremacists. You're a Trumpster.
(A few minutes later)
Machismo: Why are you acting like you're being accused of so many things? Stop that! We're all just discussing Rittenhouse, not throwing ad hominems at forum posters and acting shocked when they then become a victim of ad hominem attacks!
Machismo: Let's get back to why you're rationalizing bad decisions and won't look at the evidence.

Word to the wise. If you're calling other posters names and applying malign motives to their posts, don't get in a huff about perceived victimhood from your targets. It's a cute act and all, very post-2020 internet, but rise above it.

[Machismo]

The logic actually flows fine, once you find that first you assume Rittenhouse is a white supremacist racist, and find a way that every decision could be made stemming from internal racism and white supremacy.

I posted the upcoming TPUSA booking for one specific reason. There's no need for all the bullshit yarn strung between thumbtacks on the wall when he's going to be giving a speech not too long from now. He has a mostly right-wing, minority center-right audience that he can explain himself to. He most likely sticks to the easy evidence that the left opposes gun rights, wants to criminalize ordinary citizens (that make bad decisions), and opposes the justice system when it gives the wrong results. Whatever else he adds to that, or if there's Q&A, that's the big stuff to judge him on and form a more complete picture of his views.

Similar sentiments from here. The whole "how dare you" act reveals some pesky doubts in your head about the value of discussion and debating topics without first assuming nobody can debate against you without being a villain. Propagandize, fine go for it, but don't inhale your own supply so much.


Machismo: Only a white supremacist would say such things. You're defending white supremacists. You're a Trumpster.
(A few minutes later)
Machismo: Why are you acting like you're being accused of so many things? Stop that! We're all just discussing Rittenhouse, not throwing ad hominems at forum posters and acting shocked when they then become a victim of ad hominem attacks!
Machismo: Let's get back to why you're rationalizing bad decisions and won't look at the evidence.

Word to the wise. If you're calling other posters names and applying malign motives to their posts, don't get in a huff about perceived victimhood from your targets. It's a cute act and all, very post-2020 internet, but rise above it.

So, your argument is to make up shit I didn't actually say?

You are being judged for your actions and beliefs.

So is Rittenhouse.

[Draco-Onis]

The most laughable argument is that defund the police is causing an increase in crime because crime is rising everywhere. Unless the argument is that luberalz are taking every state and cutting funding maybe it's a trend due to the effects of the pandemic which has resulted in a catastrophic rise in drug use, poverty and other metrics.

[Egomaniac]

The logic actually flows fine, once you find that first you assume Rittenhouse is a white supremacist racist, and find a way that every decision could be made stemming from internal racism and white supremacy.

And right there you've just admitted why it's near-impossible for Rittenhouse to win a defamation suit.

[Edge-]

The logic actually flows fine, once you find that first you assume Rittenhouse is a white supremacist racist, and find a way that every decision could be made stemming from internal racism and white supremacy.

Dishonest claptrap. People don't assume he's a white supremacist by default, as has been extensively discussed. It's all still there, you can go back dozens of pages and read the whole thing again if you need a refresher.

You're just making it clear you're not interested in actual discussion, just deflection, bad faith arguments, and dishonesty.

[Endus]

You act like Rittenhouse only accepted a speaking engagement because he knew several of their chapters got shut down for racism. Which is fine for ideological zealots, I suppose, but very meager for convincing anybody that doesn't already agree with you.

Implying any of us are "ideological zealots" in the first place; that's either a lie or it's projection.

That's also not the reason anyone's calling Rittenhouse a racist.

Yes, the only reason somebody will point out that all these "confirmed" accusations are based on a load of sand is because the poster is acting in bad faith.

Claiming that he's got a case for defamation on such claims, yes, that is a bad faith argument. It willfully ignores the standards for defamation under the law, to try and provide some social defense for a white supremacist murderer.

From postman's "It's mental gymnastics to claim my claims are just like making mainstream GOP views into more proof of white supremacy" to "Actually, mainstream GOP views are white supremacy views" in, like, a day.

You're playing the victim here, acting aggrieved at how terrible that argument is.

You're doing this because you don't want to/can't argue against that argument on the facts, because the facts support it. So you do this, in an attempt to tone-police and silence discussion that makes you uncomfortable for digging a little too close to the truth.

Step 2: Saying the right is basically all white supremacists, and being associated with right-wing orgs is proof of white supremacy, is the left wing's version of all Democrats are basically socialists and commies.

"The right" is not all white supremacists, but the GOP deliberately attracted the white supremacist vote by changing their platforms to fall in line with what those white supremacists wanted to see. Again, the Southern Strategy is publicly acknowledged, open history. It wasn't some big secret or conspiracy; it was right out in the open with Republican strategists talking about it right to the press, directly.

Plus, let's recall the USA is operating from a baseline of white supremacy. The country was founded as a white supremacist slaver state. It continued to be one of the larger slave-owning nations on the planet, and was one of the last Western nations to ban the practice, with active resistance to the point of a civil war over the issue. In the aftermath of that civil war, you've had Jim Crow white supremacism, and segregation, and all that white supremacist shit, leading up to the Civil Rights Act, which did the bare fucking minimum to provide a tacit nod that society should reform, but that's been actively worked against ever since by the GOP.

The USA started out as white supremacist, and was overtly white supremacist in legal procedure within living memory, and it's been fighting against the abolishment of the remaining white supremacist elements in society ever since. It's only recently that the tide's really started to turn against the white supremacists. The idea that they're some kind of weirdo fringe that have never held power is revisionist horse shit. The Founding Fathers were, practically to a man, white supremacists. It's endemic to how your Constitution was written, for that matter. Shit Americans don't like to admit, but remains true regardless.

I'm asserting that it's a very black and white way of viewing a gray world, and it makes them politically clueless, and causes them to miss the real reasons why they lack political power or why their agendas stagnate in all but the most blue states and metros. Their true place in this world is to scream White Supremacists at their equals, who will scream Commies back at them like they're in a call and response music recording.

It stagnates largely because the majority of Democrats border on white supremacism as well. There's been a bipartisan effort to do the least possible to actually resolve racial injustice in the USA. The Dems mostly just think it's gauche to be too overt about it, but there's plenty of shit that they've passed into law that was predictably unjust to minority populations. Hell, look at the immigration policies by Trump, and how Biden hasn't actually overturned them; he's still running the concentration camps on the Southern border and expelling hundreds of thousands of people, he made one small nod to no longer separate kids from parents in the process, which settled the worst offenses while distracting from the remaining issues.

So no; it isn't "black and white". The GOP are deep, ebony black. The Democrats are a medium-dark gray. You are the one trying to push some weird "black or white" system, here, suggesting that condemnation of Republicans must mean blind support for Democrats.

They're supernatural beings and can divine the motives behind every photograph, peering into the soul.

The ability to draw an inference from incomplete information is not a magical superpower. It's basic logic.

[Polyxo]

Nahh, you guys, that guy sieg heiling in SS cosplay isn't really a Nazi, he just thinks early mid century central European getups are fetch, and he was trying to get the sun out of his eyes.

[Edge-]

When Tucker says he's a "big fan" of your work, but your work is actually killing a couple of people, not meeting with white supremacists to covertly change their views...

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1471608873933058052

Correct tweet link since the last one seems to have been deleted.

[postman1782]

Thanks for the confirmation.

That he is a white supremacist? Yes, we know, now you are caught up.

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That is not evidence and maybe stop with that cringe still pretending you don't know the reason why those racist idiots wanted to take pictures with him instead of still pretending he had daily kkk meetings way before the incident.

Still waiting for that explosive proof that for some reason you don't want to share with the prosecutors.

HOW THE FUCK IS IT NOT EVIDENCE? He SOUGHT them out on Facebook, he was a member of that hate group before Facebook took it down after he murdered people. Even though there was at least 400 complaints on Facebook about the group wanting to commit terrorist attacks.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/26/2...ng-blm-protest
https://www.businessinsider.com/face...hooting-2020-8

The Kenosha Guard are just an offshoot of the Boogaloo Boys. The guy that was in the picture is a self admitted Boogaloo Boy. Who has committed dozens of terrorist attacks over the protests and riots of the 2020 civil rights protests.

Same thing with the Proud boys.

And then you have Trump, who employs a literal Nazi as his closest advisor, Roger Stone and his Proud Boys are affiliated with him, and his 50+ years of racist history.

ALL OF THEM WELL DOCUMENTED.

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You act like Rittenhouse only accepted a speaking engagement because he knew several of their chapters got shut down for racism. Which is fine for ideological zealots, I suppose, but very meager for convincing anybody that doesn't already agree with you.

Yes, the only reason somebody will point out that all these "confirmed" accusations are based on a load of sand is because the poster is acting in bad faith.

Post flimsy evidence, spin it as important evidence, and claim anybody that disagrees is acting in bad faith.

From postman's "It's mental gymnastics to claim my claims are just like making mainstream GOP views into more proof of white supremacy" to "Actually, mainstream GOP views are white supremacy views" in, like, a day.


Step 2: Saying the right is basically all white supremacists, and being associated with right-wing orgs is proof of white supremacy, is the left wing's version of all Democrats are basically socialists and commies. A dozen Democrats have decreased police budgets with the obvious result of increasing crime, therefore party membership is identical to defund police, ACAB, Antifa, etc because of overlap of beliefs and mutual support.

I am aware of the true believers that see white supremacists in their grocery store cashier, gas station attendant, uncle at Thanksgiving, Twitch gaming streamer. I am not accusing them of behaving in bad faith in propounding this ideology in a forum. I'm asserting that it's a very black and white way of viewing a gray world, and it makes them politically clueless, and causes them to miss the real reasons why they lack political power or why their agendas stagnate in all but the most blue states and metros. Their true place in this world is to scream White Supremacists at their equals, who will scream Commies back at them like they're in a call and response music recording.

They're supernatural beings and can divine the motives behind every photograph, peering into the soul.

He declared support for Andrew Yang and BLM to legions of admirers that want to make him a hero. The kind of perverse deduction shown here would have him be a crazed Yang supporter swayed by #YangGang rhetoric and BLM activist who committed Kenosha terrorism in neoliberalism's name, before switching sides in the aftermath. Both things actually came out of his mouth in interviews, instead of relying on people he was pictured with. So if the forum mainstream is playing the game of only-accept-the-evidence-that-confirms-my-instincts-about-him (very Trumpian if you ask me), then why are you all surprised about skepticism about your approach and trying to deny its application?

No, he is accepting those speaking arrangements probably for the money, because he knows he is about to be bankrupt, and he is a poor kid from the Midwest that probably has never had more than $100 in his bank account at a time.

[Endus]

HOW THE FUCK IS IT NOT EVIDENCE?

It's one of the current goalpost shift tactics.

Anything that isn't so egregiously, blatantly obvious that it cannot possibly be denied, those things are not "proven", and thus there is no "evidence" behind them.

It's a bullshit argument, because what they mean is "I don't want to believe what that particular evidence suggests", but they're faking the idea that nobody could believe it. It's dishonest horse shit, and everyone making that argument is A> a liar and B> knows it.

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No, he is accepting those speaking arrangements probably for the money, because he knows he is about to be bankrupt, and he is a poor kid from the Midwest that probably has never had more than $100 in his bank account at a time.

The real secret there, of course, is why anyone would want to have him as a speaker at all. He got away with his actions at trial, but there's still serious questions to be had. It isn't that he defended himself that they're pulling him in as a speaker; plenty of people do that all the time, and nobody seems to really notice or care. It's this kid they want to celebrate.

So what's unique about his circumstances? It's not the use of force, it's not that it went to trial.

What else could it possibly be, hmm? Couldn't be that a white supremacist got to use lethal force against BLM supporters and get away with it. But there's really nothing else to "celebrate" about this situation.