Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Edge-]

But the unions are only part of a system designed to let people rack up numerous complaints and murders without consequence. The unions are not the ones who designed the lack of oversight or funding for the police.

Uh...yeah, in large part they are - https://publicintegrity.org/inequali...of-the-police/

You can go back decades even to the Nixon report police unions are part of the problem. The system that got us to where we are was build by state, local and federal governments over decades to be "tough on crime" even as crime was declining.

It's absolutely a mixture of all parties, with efforts in more recent years to address longstanding systemic issues being aggressively fought against by police unions eager to maintain the status quo and protections that they currently enjoy.

Unions aren't the single problem, though there's plenty of evidence to suggest that they may be one of the major problems in this equation in the current moment, and that historical events like the "war on drugs" heavily contributed to exacerbating many of these systemic issues and those problems persist today.

[Levelfive]

So, you think the only people accountable for their actions are the police, we get it.

I think holding police accountable for their actions would be a great start.

[Edge-]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/investigat...officers/story

The officer that fired the shots killing Brooks had a history of complaints about excessive use of force, including a few for use of a firearm.

Other officer had no complaints and was still newish to the force, he's the one on leave right now.

There seems to be a common denominator that officers with histories of complaints and reprimands for use of excessive force seem to be the ones responsible for the death/murder more often than not.

Because people who have shown that they have no place on a police force are instead kept on the police force. At least until they kill someone. Then maybe they'll get hired back to get disability-pensions for the PTSD they suffer from after assassinating someone.

[Draco-Onis]

It's absolutely a mixture of all parties, with efforts in more recent years to address longstanding systemic issues being aggressively fought against by police unions eager to maintain the status quo and protections that they currently enjoy.

Unions aren't the single problem, though there's plenty of evidence to suggest that they may be one of the major problems in this equation in the current moment, and that historical events like the "war on drugs" heavily contributed to exacerbating many of these systemic issues and those problems persist today.

On this indeed there was bipartisan fuckery, the only reason democrats come out looking better is that they at least acknowledge systemic racism exist while republicans keep talking about bootstraps (exceptions given to farmers, coal workers etc).

[Edge-]

https://www.motherjones.com/anti-rac...ch-milkshakes/

So...that Shake Shake "poisoning" of officers? Not really. NYPD Chief of Detectives confirms there was no criminality by employees following an investigation. Claims of "bleach spiked" shakes were fictitious, just like when the NYPD thought that concrete test-pours were "hidden weapons disguised as ice cream"

NYSBA also tweeted out a misleading video from weeks earlier of protesters smashing the windows of a police car. Omitted was that these actions immediately followed the cop car driving through a group of peaceful protesters. This happened right before - https://twitter.com/chieffymac11/sta...84475268616197

This is why folks don't trust the cops, and why people are increasingly calling for police unions to be dismantled. Their existence at all, given the history of police and their role in violently suppressing the labor movement in the US, is an affront to the patriotic Americans that fought and died for workers rights.

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Martin Gugino, the 75 year old peaceful protester that was almost murdered by Buffalo PD, sustained a skull fracture and is unable to walk as a result of his injuries.

The cops directly involved should be in jail, and should there be any settlement involving money to cover his medical costs and/or longterm medical needs if he is unable to recover his ability to walk, much less for pain and suffering, it should come out of the cops pay. It should not be "taxpayer funded", it should come directly from the officers paychecks. Garnish their wages. Take money out of their pensions to cover it.

There need to be actual deterrents for officers to stop them from this kind of behavior, and if that means taking from their taxpayer funded salaries and pensions, then so be it.

[Dadwen]

https://www.motherjones.com/anti-rac...ch-milkshakes/

So...that Shake Shake "poisoning" of officers? Not really. NYPD Chief of Detectives confirms there was no criminality by employees following an investigation. Claims of "bleach spiked" shakes were fictitious, just like when the NYPD thought that concrete test-pours were "hidden weapons disguised as ice cream"

NYSBA also tweeted out a misleading video from weeks earlier of protesters smashing the windows of a police car. Omitted was that these actions immediately followed the cop car driving through a group of peaceful protesters. This happened right before - https://twitter.com/chieffymac11/sta...84475268616197

This is why folks don't trust the cops, and why people are increasingly calling for police unions to be dismantled. Their existence at all, given the history of police and their role in violently suppressing the labor movement in the US, is an affront to the patriotic Americans that fought and died for workers rights.

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Martin Gugino, the 75 year old peaceful protester that was almost murdered by Buffalo PD, sustained a skull fracture and is unable to walk as a result of his injuries.

The cops directly involved should be in jail, and should there be any settlement involving money to cover his medical costs and/or longterm medical needs if he is unable to recover his ability to walk, much less for pain and suffering, it should come out of the cops pay. It should not be "taxpayer funded", it should come directly from the officers paychecks. Garnish their wages. Take money out of their pensions to cover it.

There need to be actual deterrents for officers to stop them from this kind of behavior, and if that means taking from their taxpayer funded salaries and pensions, then so be it.

just said it was no Criminality of the poisoning looks like they were poisoned though.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...-incident.html

The incident Monday night was not an intentional attack on three unsuspecting officers, but the result of a milkshake machine that was partially cleaned and put back into service before the cleaning product was completely rinsed out, the Daily News reports. Turns out it’s not police officers in particular who need to be worried about Shake Shack milkshakes, it’s everyone.

Seems the only Fictitious part was it was intentional.

[Draco-Onis]

just said it was no Criminality of the poisoning looks like they were poisoned though.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...-incident.html

The incident Monday night was not an intentional attack on three unsuspecting officers, but the result of a milkshake machine that was partially cleaned and put back into service before the cleaning product was completely rinsed out, the Daily News reports. Turns out it’s not police officers in particular who need to be worried about Shake Shack milkshakes, it’s everyone.

Seems the only Fictitious part was it was intentional.

Shake shack is doing their part to fight covid-19 following the Donald's advice

[Themius]

https://www.motherjones.com/anti-rac...ch-milkshakes/

So...that Shake Shake "poisoning" of officers? Not really. NYPD Chief of Detectives confirms there was no criminality by employees following an investigation. Claims of "bleach spiked" shakes were fictitious, just like when the NYPD thought that concrete test-pours were "hidden weapons disguised as ice cream"

NYSBA also tweeted out a misleading video from weeks earlier of protesters smashing the windows of a police car. Omitted was that these actions immediately followed the cop car driving through a group of peaceful protesters. This happened right before - https://twitter.com/chieffymac11/sta...84475268616197

This is why folks don't trust the cops, and why people are increasingly calling for police unions to be dismantled. Their existence at all, given the history of police and their role in violently suppressing the labor movement in the US, is an affront to the patriotic Americans that fought and died for workers rights.

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Martin Gugino, the 75 year old peaceful protester that was almost murdered by Buffalo PD, sustained a skull fracture and is unable to walk as a result of his injuries.

The cops directly involved should be in jail, and should there be any settlement involving money to cover his medical costs and/or longterm medical needs if he is unable to recover his ability to walk, much less for pain and suffering, it should come out of the cops pay. It should not be "taxpayer funded", it should come directly from the officers paychecks. Garnish their wages. Take money out of their pensions to cover it.

There need to be actual deterrents for officers to stop them from this kind of behavior, and if that means taking from their taxpayer funded salaries and pensions, then so be it.

As an aside I’d say there was criminality just not against anyone in particular. More negligence.

I recall locally a woman becoming brain damaged due to this happening from a subways.

[Zeth Hawkins]

Considering the article is reporting on this CDC study - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr071.pdf

Reading the first paragraph of the abstract would provide clarity -



And a quick glance at the report shows different measures used for involvement based on age group starting on page 5 for children 5 and under and on page 7 for children 5-18.

There's a 9 page report worth of elaboration.

Thank you.

[Kellhound]

But the unions are only part of a system designed to let people rack up numerous complaints and murders without consequence. The unions are not the ones who designed the lack of oversight or funding for the police. You can go back decades even to the Nixon report police unions are part of the problem. The system that got us to where we are was build by state, local and federal governments over decades to be "tough on crime" even as crime was declining.

And calling on the armed forced to beat up peaceful protesters seem pretty tyrannical to me but I guess it's not if it's your side.

The unions are absolutely a major reason bad apples can't be gotten rid of.
I already pointed out I object to the use of the armed forces internally.

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I think holding police accountable for their actions would be a great start.

Understanding it is a two way street is also a great start....

[eschatological]

The unions are absolutely a major reason bad apples can't be gotten rid of.
I already pointed out I object to the use of the armed forces internally.

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Understanding it is a two way street is also a great start....

What is there to understand? The Minneapolis police were the ones who elected a racist, rhetorically violent Kroll to be their union president.

Unions are important to any labor force. However, no labor union should have the ability or capability to shield its members from civil or criminal liability (and indeed, most don't). And that happens because of a system that demands we be "tough on crime" and police unions refusing to negotiate.

A lot of conservatives have gleefully liked to point out that many of these riots have taken place in Dem strongholds. A lot of these mayors in these Dem strongholds, like Jacob Frey of Minneapolis, want to pass reform (and Frey even banned the practice Chauvin performed on Floyd last year, along with warrior training), but the police union fights them every step of the way. The same is true of the NYPD police union, a criminal syndicate of Long Island and Staten Island fake tough guys. The same is true for the police union in my home town of Buffalo, the Benevolent Policeman's Association of Buffalo, who, now infamously, shoved a peaceful protester so hard that he now CANNOT WALK, and then falsified the police report and are incredulous anyone thinks they should be held accountable for it. And our whole city is run by Dems. Our mayor is the first black mayor Buffalo has ever had. And the police union has fought him on every reform he's tried for more than a decade.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/NYCPDDEA/status/1272866226734272512

Although the investigation is still ongoing, at this point NYPD investigators have found "no criminality" in how these officers got sick. Initially, it was reported that whatever toxic substance made the officers ill was intentionally placed in their drinks.

Bolded bit specifically. I wonder where that was reported...oh right, the tweet they deleted -



And they also appear to have deleted their urgent safety message about this - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EapLZY8X...jpg&name=large

Which sure gives the impression that cops are being intentionally targeted for violence, when the reality appears to be that police officers are routinely targeting protesters for violence.

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https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...so4-story.html

So that cop from early on who yanked down a guys mask to mace him right in the face...yeah he bragged about it to his buddies shortly after.

And then later accidentally maces himself while trying to mace a crowd.

[arandomuser]

https://twitter.com/NYCPDDEA/status/1272866226734272512



Bolded bit specifically. I wonder where that was reported...oh right, the tweet they deleted -



And they also appear to have deleted their urgent safety message about this - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EapLZY8X...jpg&name=large

Which sure gives the impression that cops are being intentionally targeted for violence, when the reality appears to be that police officers are routinely targeting protesters for violence.

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https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...so4-story.html

So that cop from early on who yanked down a guys mask to mace him right in the face...yeah he bragged about it to his buddies shortly after.

And then later accidentally maces himself while trying to mace a crowd.

almost every media outlet reported on it with the headline "cops intentially posioned!!"
and then in texts it says "nypd investigators say there was no criminality"
including some mainstream media

[Edge-]

almost every media outlet reported on it with the headline "cops intentially posioned!!"

Because that's what the Detectives Endowment Association claimed. Media reported on their claim, the NYDEA made that initial claim without evidence of substantiation.

and then in texts it says "nypd investigators say there was no criminality"
including some mainstream media

Today, after it has been investigated. Yesterday, they were blasting out that Shake Shack employees were trying to poison cops.

[Dadwen]

Because that's what the Detectives Endowment Association claimed. Media reported on their claim, the NYDEA made that initial claim without evidence of substantiation.



Today, after it has been investigated. Yesterday, they were blasting out that Shake Shack employees were trying to poison cops.

ya they were just (unintentionally) trying to poison everyone, easy to see the misunderstanding...

[Zaktar]

ya they were just (unintentionally) trying to poison everyone, easy to see the misunderstanding...

When I got food poisoning a couple of weeks ago I tried to have the restaurant employees arrested for attempted homicide but no one was buying it for some reason.

[Edge-]

ya they were just (unintentionally) trying to poison everyone, easy to see the misunderstanding...

Also a mischaracterization. They weren't "trying" to do anything other than their jobs, and someone made a mistake.

That the cops instantly jumped to, "SHAKE SHAKE IS TRYING TO KILL US!" says more about how they view us than it does about a Shake Shack employee screwing up and failing to fully rinse a drink machine after cleaning.

[Themius]

ya they were just (unintentionally) trying to poison everyone, easy to see the misunderstanding...

You do not "unintentionally try" if you try to do something that means you intend to do the thing. You can't without intent have intent to do x thing that is a contradiction.

[Dadwen]

Also a mischaracterization. They weren't "trying" to do anything other than their jobs, and someone made a mistake.

That the cops instantly jumped to, "SHAKE SHAKE IS TRYING TO KILL US!" says more about how they view us than it does about a Shake Shack employee screwing up and failing to fully rinse a drink machine after cleaning.

hence the word before trying (unintentionally).

[unfilteredJW]

hence the word before trying (unintentionally).

That's not how words work.