It has to be the Bronze Dragonflight part of the Mag'har scenario in particular. Though there are plenty of other candidates.
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Alleria, Jaina and Genn not turning Sylvanas into a living pincushion when for all they knew, she was on a throne without any way to defend herself. Alleria, Jaina and Genn not turning Sylvanas into a living pincushion when she waltzed up to their King.
Did Blizzard really think this was a cool moment?
Whole WoD, especially retconning clans lore, which is much worse than it was. Maraad should only know original history (like Shattered Hand clan removing their left hand to show courage, not because they had to free themselves), not WoD lore (which apparently is now a cannon).
This thread.
"The fatal flaw of every plan, no matter how well planned, is the assumption that you know more than your enemy."
and is their cruel system dismantled? they still plague everything they see. Let's not even forget they massacred the Kirin Tor in Ambermill who were literally just minding their own business, then after Southshore they literally hunted down escaping civilian refugees. Don't even get me started on the Sludge Fields
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
I make Warcraft 3 Reforged HD custom models and I'm also an HD model reviewer.
it's really awkward as that might be the only time those characters bothered listening to Anduin's whims.
I assumed Anduin would have wanted to capture her alive and use her to force the horde to stand down rather than feel responsible for putting the next warchief on the throne or cause further issues due to the vacant position. They keep making Anduin this naive kid who keeps trying to hope for the best outcome with the worst people thugh.
Though, I'm not sure the pincushion plan would work if it was expected since they also gave Sylvanas the ability to render herself incorporeal among other banshee traits. Oh and Jaina's powers... lmao over using her in poor scenarios is getting to be trademark. you see how they keep making sure to remind us she CAN in fact teleport people? Every group situation she pops up in for BFA seems to have a line about it.
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some people just don't like the Pandas still. Even when we have provably worse races to pick on.
I recall seeing him say something along the lines of how there couldn't be any peace unless Sylvanas were dead. How rapidly he walked that back the moment he saw her, unarmed, in the Lordaeron throne room.
No matter which way Blizzard spins it, it's ridiculous that they let her sashay up to Anduin just so she could ree in his face.
I'm sure at this point, Sylvanas had some of those Jailer abilities so it probably wouldn't have been that easy, but they didn't know that, of course.
I try.. not to pay too much attention to Jaina, honestly.
fact is, any character slightly imbued with magic is never truly unarmed. And Sylvanas is now the most manipulative, scheming, underhanded character in the roster. Seeing her waiting casually in a room is... well... should be unsettling at the very least (especially after walking face first into multiple traps already). So I can ALMOST forgive this moment.
Actually, the incorporeal state was part of her banshee bit. We don't know what her deal with Helya entailed or what was up with the Jailor. Banshee state has been part of her toolkit 'technically' since she was raised by arthas. She happens to also use her main body somehow. It's sort of like how they mashed her up in the HotS game with her banshee wave that doubles as a teleport letting her fly short distances and through surfaces. Of course I'm assuming THAT version of her character wasn't drawing from the yet to be revealed WoW lore concerning Jailor and Helya.
I am sure there is a lich king
Oh I've got one that people are sleeping on.
Turning Doomhammer's ambush on Lothar into a 10,000x folded honoribu lightsaber dual to satisfy Metzan's orc boner and noble savage lust is frankly insulting.
Lothar is such an important character that's basically disappeared from the lore because he died before wow.
It's actually pretty impressive. As big as some of Knaak's dumber lore decisions have been, Blizz has been very elegant in completely ignoring them after they went over like a wet fart. Most of the characters who were around for the War of the Ancients trilogy show no recollection of or recognition of Rhonin and Friends, the Stormrage novel only occasionally gets mentioned, Wolfheart was acknowledged in broad strokes but details like Varian being Lo'Gosh's avatar went completely unmentioned going forward. Then Rhonin and Krasus got killed off, and Lucian hasn't been seen since his powers stopped being temporarily plot-relevant.
But even Rhonin at the height of Knaak's hubris doesn't hold a candle to Med'an in terms of sheer lore fuckery and stupid plotlines. It's a shame, because the renewed Council of Tirisfal could have had some cool themes going on as a multiracial coalition with the intent of acting as an early warning system and first line of defense against external threats, but between how badly fans reacted to Marty'Stu and the writing team's direction for the plot moving in favor of "Everyone's an idiot and the PC has to get everything done in spite of, not because of, their allies' eagerness to get themselves killed," it just wouldn't work anymore.
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Kind of. It helps smooth out the orcs' plot arc, Doomhammer's in particular, to have him hold a sense of honor but still be a vicious, conniving bastard about it. Also, Lothar deserved better than getting chumped out in an ambush, at least his duel with Doomhammer let him go down swinging like a character of his pedigree deserved.
I'm not saying your take is wrong, because I can see where you're coming from and it's a totally valid perspective. I just don't think I agree on this specific instance.
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Pretty much all of this is wrong. The Horde knew the RAS was working on a weapon at least since early Wrath and were happy about the idea of a super weapon against the Scourge all throughout Dragonblight questing. And not only is there no mention of necromancy banned by any Horde race, the Forsaken themselves already practiced necromancy as early as Vanilla (the innkeeper from Brill is a raised Scarlet Crusade member for example). They simply lacked the means to do so en masse back then. And neither Thrall nor Garrosh forbade the production of the Blight as a whole. Garrosh forbade its usage. In Gilneas alone, because Garrosh wanted to use that campaign to wipe out the Forsaken. In Silverpine the Forsaken were allowed to use an accepted strain of the Blight just fine.
And the fact the strain was accepted quite heavily indicates oversight of RAS. So does, you know, what the Kor'kron said while in Undercity. Because there was a severe lack of mentions of Legion and multiple mentions of them suspecting the Forsaken, monitoring the RAS and acting with outright hostility to Forsaken players even asking for directions to Apothecarium or the Rogue poison vendor. And since there was oversight in that department, there was no need to ensure the production of Blight being stopped. It still was a useful weapon.
And your conclusion about BfA and SL makes no sense either way. Because, you know, Sylvanas became the Warchief in Legion, giving her free reign to do whatever she wanted to, no matter the attitude of previous Warchiefs.