Josh removed from Method, Sascha accused of harassment

[Altariaz]

Go to the police not the forums.

I agree. Has anyone actually been charged by the authorities regarding these matters?
Due process must be done. That is why we have the police and rule of law.

[LanToaster]

Text messages / Chat logs are allowed in court ALL THE TIME. Wtf are you talking about.

Yea, actual TextMessages, and Actual Logs. Thats why its weird that these Alleged crimes apparently went to the Police, and got dismissed.

Screenshots of Chats, for Obvious reasons are not Evidence.

I agree. Has anyone actually been charged by the authorities regarding these matters?
Due process must be done. That is why we have the police and rule of law.

Apparently according to several people, Josh was investigated for that Pedophelia/ChildPorn case, and the Police apparently dropped it, because the 100% sure and undeniable Evidence that there is (In form of some Screenshots) was not enough.

I doubt the Sasha thing would go anywhere near authorities, because thats "Innapropriate" at best. No Crime here. Just a women who felt unconfortable.

[conceptKitty]

This is just ridicilous. Girl waited three years, then jumped on a hype-train with some pretty questionable screenshots that prove nothing, and mob is already there to crucify everyone who is pointed regardless of their (not)guiltiness. New Middle Ages are coming, this time via online holywars we ruin quite a real lives. Go ahead guys, but then don't wonder when mob start attacking you (and they will, you can be sure).

Some of his victims were minors, it's not exactly weird that they were too scared to come forth. If this so called "hype train" made them be able to do so, is this a problem? It doesn't exactly make her case any less valid.

What Josh did wasn't exactly a secret, people knew of his behaviour, some inside Method and people from the warcraft community.
I can't say much on Sascha but Josh pretty much screams guilty.
That aside, he deleted all of his social media and discord accounts. It doesn't exactly help his case.

I don't think in general people should come for you with the mob mentality when you think someone is guilty no, but there just isn't much to say about Josh.

[Greengrim]

Bashing people based on their looks? Is that what it means to be a "gentleman" these days?

I can see that you're able to interprit my words only in your own way, so I will explain.

First, I said "my own set of rules". This doesn't mean they must appeal to you, or anybody else but myself.
Secondly, what I really mean is that I personally never move on, touch, or even consider to look at other men's girls; cheat on my girl; continue to insist after being declined; and I generally try to treat women like flowers - with maximum care and respect.
Third, and last, if I find out you're 40+ and continue to harass minors after being declined, your looks will most definitely not be the only thing that I'll be bashing.

thanks for making your blatant sexism obvious...now that aside

if a minor sends nudes,its illigal its child porn,the minor can also get in trouble for it,and its far worse legaly than illigal smoking or drinking,also sex at 16 isnt illigal in most places so thats a shity comparison,and if you are 14 and your parter was of around the same age than again its irelevant,i dont see whats the point here

You're literally taking only one comment out of my general context and misjudge me.

But either way, I really don't understand you reaction though. Yes, nudes, smoking and drinking are illegal and can get minors in big trouble - that's literally what I also said. And where exactly did you see me making any comparisons? I only mentioned that having sex at 16 is what I've come to understand as normal, nothing more.

Requesting (and getting) nudes from 13-16 y.o.'s and telling to them that you would want to f... them is pretty big in my book

You're right. I'm not declining the problem. Just saying that things are a bit overexaggerated in my opinion, as it's normal for girls around the age of 16 to be desired. Definitely not normal to be desired by 43y olds though. And what makes it worse, is that he insists after being declined. So the problem is indeed real and very much present.

[gobio]

Democratic socialists should want the police to take control of these matters, not big corporation's influence via sponsorship. Democratic socialists would want to tax the rich so we have enough funding to hire police as professional and as trained as the private security that the 1% hired.

But fk me, I am so wrong. fk the government, tag all the corporation for injustice and defund police. The true socialist way!

[TyrianFC]

Exclusive look at Methods pr strategy right now:

"we didnt know"

[Yayeet]

At the same time is Sco one of those persons who could have prevented it, he didn't act and now has to accept the consequences.



Wait half a year and it's been forgotten.

Not gonna happen, sponsors hate metoo like scandals, and for method it's going to be a permanent block to get new sponsors since they all left.

[Tronski]

Method is a raiding group, right? They have a CEO? And a co CEO? What happened to raid leaders?

Anyway, I skimmed through the posts and I see a lot of regrets being turned to grooming, inappropriate behavior, etc. The whole chat she posted is not weird at all, nothing wrong there, but somehow that's proof of horrible things? I don't know, it seems like a lot of overthinking and overreacting, but if something really happened, she should go to the police, not just try to get people on her side on the internet.

This. People are overreacting more often to less and less. Looking is raping, talking is doing and anything not completely PC is justified reason for riot.

[Yayeet]

Yea, actual TextMessages, and Actual Logs. Thats why its weird that these Alleged crimes apparently went to the Police, and got dismissed.

Screenshots of Chats, for Obvious reasons are not Evidence.


Apparently according to several people, Josh was investigated for that Pedophelia/ChildPorn case, and the Police apparently dropped it, because the 100% sure and undeniable Evidence that there is (In form of some Screenshots) was not enough.

I doubt the Sasha thing would go anywhere near authorities, because thats "Innapropriate" at best. No Crime here. Just a women who felt unconfortable.

Josh was investigated prior to those chats, and the only reason the police dropped it, was due to the fact that nobody pressed charges.

If you don't press charges the cops won't do anything. As for evidence, the cops is not the governmental organ that decides whether or not evidence is valid, they pass it through, but in the end only a court decides the legitimacy of said evidence and if it's valid it's allowed to go to court.

You might wanna learn how the world works before you pretend you do.

[Dundebuns]

I see a lot of people complaining about 'cancel culture' but the obvious solution is maybe don't be a edgy, creepy, dominating sexual predator?

[TyrianFC]

Not gonna happen, sponsors hate metoo like scandals, and for method it's going to be a permanent block to get new sponsors since they all left.

This. Basically, if Sco was asking us for PR advice, the best advice would be to dissolve the brand/name/guild completely, and start again from scratch under a new name and mission statement. Because the "Method" brand is poisonous in the eyes of sponsors now. The remaining few sponsors left on the website are no doubt on their way out too any hour or day now. And thats who matters most to orgs like this. Nobody cares whether a few online kids say 'itll be forgotten' or 'nobody cares' - sponsors wont forget and they certainly care.

[Zantera]

I'm against cancel culture in general but with Josh it's a pretty clear case isn't it? Can't really defend being a sexual creeper with people who are under age of consent. With the other situation with Sascha/Annie to me it does seem inappropriate but more than anything else it just looks like very awkward/bad 'im drunk and cant communicate well' cringe more than something malicious.

The biggest take away for me is I'm sure Method are gonna get tons of backlash and people are gonna stop following them because it turned out they had a creeper among them. It's just a bit silly to me because any organisation with X amount of people in it probably have someone doing something shady and I don't think it's ever good to generalize.

[Boddhi]

Karma strikes late at times, but it always strikes.

[KaPe]

do people actually care about stuff like this?

You might want to check the page number you're on. Yes, people totally don't care about things like that, which is why we have over 1000 posts. And while I'm sure you personally only care about curing cancer and colonizing space, us mere mortals deal with more mundane things.

[kamuimac]

This is just ridicilous. Girl waited three years, then jumped on a hype-train with some pretty questionable screenshots that prove nothing, and mob is already there to crucify everyone who is pointed regardless of their (not)guiltiness. New Middle Ages are coming, this time via online holywars we ruin quite a real lives. Go ahead guys, but then don't wonder when mob start attacking you (and they will, you can be sure).

"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me"

that how typical people behave.

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Josh was investigated prior to those chats, and the only reason the police dropped it, was due to the fact that nobody pressed charges.

If you don't press charges the cops won't do anything. As for evidence, the cops is not the governmental organ that decides whether or not evidence is valid, they pass it through, but in the end only a court decides the legitimacy of said evidence and if it's valid it's allowed to go to court.

You might wanna learn how the world works before you pretend you do.

ye and the reason why people dont press fake charges is that they want to avoid being sued for deflamation.

you are free to write anything on internet - but you do have to live with consequences.

[kamuimac]

I agree. Has anyone actually been charged by the authorities regarding these matters?
Due process must be done. That is why we have the police and rule of law.

nobody was charged as there was clearly no real evidence.

but the usual cancel culture internet mob is already in full rage mode with pitchforks and torches.

its pointless to discuss it - if people feel so strongly they should report him again to police or report police negligence.

[paragraphgorilla]

I agree. Has anyone actually been charged by the authorities regarding these matters?
Due process must be done. That is why we have the police and rule of law.

Of course not, because you would have to prove it actually happened

[ClassicPeon]

nobody was charged as there was clearly no real evidence.

but the usual cancel culture internet mob is already in full rage mode with pitchforks and torches.

its pointless to discuss it - if people feel so strongly they should report him again to police or report police negligence.

Josh was under police investigation at one point but it was dropped apparently because the evidence wasnt clear enough.

[kamuimac]

Josh was under police investigation at one point but it was dropped apparently because the evidence wasnt clear enough.

thats why i tell - report it to prosecutor as police negligence and be done with discussing about it.

if he is guilty then he will becharged.

if he is not guilty he should sue everysingle person deflamating him here

and unlike with fake photos of conversations there are actual logs , ip tracking etc etc here.

[Velshin]

So many more important things in real life like some people having issues with the Covid-19 and a lot of people dying and econamics which affecting the entire world. Here we have some people care about some random fucks in the internet worrying about guild news in video games and pixel world....again why should we care?