7 + 6 = 13 = January 2021

[arkanon]

Here Spring is September 1 -> November 30th, Summer is 1st December -> 28th February.

So it is very hard to relate to any useful meaning for 'Fall' given it has no correspondence to reality here. I mean ... why 'Fall'.

All they have to do is say Q42020 and we'd all be on the same page

Yup, im with you on that one, as its the same for me as well, but in these situations you can safely assume when they use a season, its related to where the business is based. You are right in saying its yet another reason they shouldn't use those terms, as they are localized.

[MrLachyG]

In just under a day we go from:

to

6 months sub now brings us well into January 2021. After this announcement it seems unlikely we're getting Shadowlands this fall.

no, it's coming this year. were you not listening?

[Pohut]

no, it's coming this year. were you not listening?

No, they said it is coming "this fall". "this fall" can mean whatever they want it to mean, because that is not an official unit of measurement anywhere on the planet. It is on the same level as "SoonTM".
Releasing a 6 months sub mount a day later shows us exactly what they mean by "this fall."

[Lucetia]

No, they said it is coming "this fall". "this fall" can mean whatever they want it to mean, because that is not an official unit of measurement anywhere on the planet. It is on the same level as "SoonTM".
Releasing a 6 months sub mount a day later shows us exactly what they mean by "this fall."

Ok, that is really grasping. Fall is a season and they are located in the U.S. so they would be going by the northern hemispheres definition of Fall (since companies operate in the hemispheres/regions they are in). Which can easily be looked up since it an a measurement of time. It's based on the equinoxes and the Fall equinox starts on roughly September 21-23 depending on the calendar year and how the axis spins. Winter then starts between December 20-23.

So we can conclusively come to the conclusion that Fall is September 21 - December 23 at it's most and September 23-December 20 at it's shortest.

[FelPlague]

What'll happen is that blizz's stock will take a huge hit, if a game company misses a promised release date they can very well go out of business. The gaming industry is a LOT more cutthroat with release dates and the like now than it was back when BC was released.

what are you talking about? that is 100% not happening, the company would not go out of buisness if it missed a release date
1 they already did and didtn go under
2 tons of companies do it and dont.

[munkeyinorbit]

no, it's coming this year. were you not listening?

As a developer in a real company I can say Covid has definitely affected what we produce. A lot of things have been out in the back burner and will be releasing months later. WFH is smooth now but it took a couple of months to get going properly. In saying that, were you not paying attention? The devs don't communicate effectively. One just admitted that he doesn't know if there's a replacement for brutosaur. When the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is thinking it is clear that they don't know what is going on. Someone says 2020, another releases a mount that indicates 2021.

If you think covid hasn't affected release date I have a bridge to sell you. Someone has realised it might be delayed to 2021 and that's why the sub mount is different. I still remember when the wow experts said they were behind way back last year. Maybe we should've listened.

[FelPlague]

No, they said it is coming "this fall". "this fall" can mean whatever they want it to mean, because that is not an official unit of measurement anywhere on the planet. It is on the same level as "SoonTM".
Releasing a 6 months sub mount a day later shows us exactly what they mean by "this fall."

Yes, fal is a literally official unit of measurement in many places in the planet.
just because you dont know stuff doesent mean it doesent exist.

[DemonDays]

You might want to re-read before trying to complain about spinning narrative.

What I listed as A is what you can call an incentive since it is trying to encourage you to get it. B is what you call a reward since you were going to be paying for 6 months anyway so it is an extra item.



People's disappointment with things doesn't change whether it is a reward or incentive. Most of the people who got the pirate ship got it because they wanted the mount. They weren't going to probably play anyone and thus complained.



You are trying to draw two different things together as one conclusion. This model they are using is as I described it above, a reward and an incentive. Trying to mesh the two together to make it sound as negative as you can doesn't change any of that.

Sure - if you're addicted to the game and sub in 6 month allotments anyway. It may seem like a reward.

That's absolutely not what it is designed to be though is it? It's an incentive to get you to lock yourself in when they know no new content is coming.

The money you save on the sub could be used to buy the mount on the store individually anyway - because it will be available separately. As per usual.

[MrLachyG]

No, they said it is coming "this fall". "this fall" can mean whatever they want it to mean, because that is not an official unit of measurement anywhere on the planet. It is on the same level as "SoonTM".
Releasing a 6 months sub mount a day later shows us exactly what they mean by "this fall."

....... no. the strict definition of "fall" or "autumn" as it's known by the rest of the world is September 21 to December 21. However most people just use September, October and November as the definition because it's easier. so yeah, it will arrive between September and November, I personally think pre-patch is October and release November

[DemonDays]

Its American for Autumn. They dont use months because it is too specific, and doesnt allow for changes without huge outrage from the vocal minority. According to some on this very forum, if a game is delayed, the COE of the company goes to Jail. And no, im not exaggerating, people have genuinely claimed this.

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Would you?

Lol. Many of the usual fanboys have LITERALLY claimed that if they don't release it by the end of December then they are "literally breaking the law".

Even when you show them Warcraft 3:Reforged as a perfect example, from the same company. They just stick their head in the sand.

[MrLachyG]

As a developer in a real company I can say Covid has definitely affected what we produce. A lot of things have been out in the back burner and will be releasing months later. WFH is smooth now but it took a couple of months to get going properly. In saying that, were you not paying attention? The devs don't communicate effectively. One just admitted that he doesn't know if there's a replacement for brutosaur. When the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is thinking it is clear that they don't know what is going on. Someone says 2020, another releases a mount that indicates 2021.

If you think covid hasn't affected release date I have a bridge to sell you. Someone has realised it might be delayed to 2021 and that's why the sub mount is different. I still remember when the wow experts said they were behind way back last year. Maybe we should've listened.

just because one dev said he isn't sure if there will be a replacement for the Brutosaur doesn't mean that what both the Executive Producer and Game Director said won't come to pass. they have had a solid alpha, beta is here and will probably run for the rest of July and August/September and then we will get a pre-patch in October.

[Lucetia]

Sure - if you're addicted to the game and sub in 6 month allotments anyway. It may seem like a reward.

That's absolutely not what it is designed to be though is it? It's an incentive to get you to lock yourself in when they know no new content is coming.

Depends on the crowd and their interests. The way it is set up is to entice either crowd. Either to hook people onto a 6 month sub (whether they'll use it or not) as well as the whole reward scheme for those who were going to play anyone and commit to the 6 month plan vs monthly. Either way it has multiple uses.

The money you save on the sub could be used to buy the mount on the store individually anyway - because it will be available separately. As per usual.

It isn't per usual, the first one wasn't and maybe the second? They probably added them later (haven't checked store in forever), but I remember when it first came out it wasn't and people were upset.

As for the money saving part, that depends on how you go about it. If you pay up to 4 months out of the 6 then yeah you save. If you pay monthly for the 6 then you lose month and if you were going to pay all 6 months then you save roughly $7.02 (unless you pay for only 1-3 months) by paying for the 6 months and getting it free. A lot of it just depends on what crowd you fit into.

The thing is there will always be people who sub for 6 months because they see "free" mount and then will complain because they wish they hadn't. In this case during the 6 month window we no in roughly October (possibly late September) we'll see the pre-patch which has the events, new systems etc. Roughly November we'll have the expansion. So there's about ~2 months of actual new new content, and ~2 months of readjusted content sprinkled in with new events. That leaves us with a 2 month window of the same current stuff. So not sure where the notion of "no new content is coming" from on this one.

Lol. Many of the usual fanboys have LITERALLY claimed that if they don't release it by the end of December then they are "literally breaking the law".

Even when you show them Warcraft 3:Reforged as a perfect example, from the same company. They just stick their head in the sand.

Yeah, but armchair lawyers are everywhere. Is it possible they were breaking the law? Possible, but I have zero law knowledge (other than movies, tv's and some research) so I can't say with any confidence. Though I think the majority agreed that if it wasn't released by X time they had to offer refunds at least without question.

[Aucald]

No, they said it is coming "this fall". "this fall" can mean whatever they want it to mean, because that is not an official unit of measurement anywhere on the planet. It is on the same level as "SoonTM".
Releasing a 6 months sub mount a day later shows us exactly what they mean by "this fall."

In the US, saying something will be released in Fall or Autumn basically means the fourth quarter of the current year, usually earlier on but anywhere from Sept. to Dec. of the current year. Does that mean it's a guarantee? No, anything could happen between now and then that delays the release (wouldn't be the first time either). But basically they've given a rough date range on which they intend to release it - so we can assume that, barring future delays, that's generally when we'll see it released.

[arkanon]

Lol. Many of the usual fanboys have LITERALLY claimed that if they don't release it by the end of December then they are "literally breaking the law".

Even when you show them Warcraft 3:Reforged as a perfect example, from the same company. They just stick their head in the sand.

Dont come in here with your logic and proof - How DARE you.

[DemonDays]

Depends on the crowd and their interests. The way it is set up is to entice either crowd. Either to hook people onto a 6 month sub (whether they'll use it or not) as well as the whole reward scheme for those who were going to play anyone and commit to the 6 month plan vs monthly. Either way it has multiple uses.



It isn't per usual, the first one wasn't and maybe the second? They probably added them later (haven't checked store in forever), but I remember when it first came out it wasn't and people were upset.

As for the money saving part, that depends on how you go about it. If you pay up to 4 months out of the 6 then yeah you save. If you pay monthly for the 6 then you lose month and if you were going to pay all 6 months then you save roughly $7.02 (unless you pay for only 1-3 months) by paying for the 6 months and getting it free. A lot of it just depends on what crowd you fit into.

The thing is there will always be people who sub for 6 months because they see "free" mount and then will complain because they wish they hadn't. In this case during the 6 month window we no in roughly October (possibly late September) we'll see the pre-patch which has the events, new systems etc. Roughly November we'll have the expansion. So there's about ~2 months of actual new new content, and ~2 months of readjusted content sprinkled in with new events. That leaves us with a 2 month window of the same current stuff. So not sure where the notion of "no new content is coming" from on this one.



Yeah, but armchair lawyers are everywhere. Is it possible they were breaking the law? Possible, but I have zero law knowledge (other than movies, tv's and some research) so I can't say with any confidence. Though I think the majority agreed that if it wasn't released by X time they had to offer refunds at least without question.

The mounts are ALWAYS added to the store later. They're obviously not available at the same time as the promotion. Because that isn't going to get idiots to lock themselves in.

"Look investors, sub numbers are staying stable despite huge droughts of content."

This is not a reward scheme. Stop saying this, it's bullshit. FFXIV has an actual subscriber reward scheme. You are rewarded whether you sub in allotments or just continuously on a 1 month recurring. You're rewarded for any amount of time you're subbed.

It's kind of sad Blizzard is far too greedy to reward some of us that have been here for 15 years. But as I said, they're a business. They're here to pry money from your addicted hands.


Your last paragraph is actually ridiculous. You're locking yourself in for 6 months. In that time you MAY see a pre-patch event with system changes. Then if you're locking yourself in that long you've obviously bought Shadowlands - which is another $60 on top.

Let's be honest - 8.3 is dogshit. It was a phoned in patch with a shit tonne of re-used zones and assets. There is no new content coming for AT LEAST 4-5 months. Your average person is much better off subbing in 1 month increments, cancelling their sub soon and buying the mount on the store later. AS IT WILL 100% BE AVAILABLE.

This is NOT a reward. It is to ENTICE you to fucking lock yourself in for a drought.

Stop.




Arguably the worst expansion we've ever received(possibly tied with WoD) also has the most amount of store mounts added alongside FOUR 6 month promotions. An expansion that likely had WoD levels of subscriber drop off in it's first few months. Funny ain't it?

[Onikaroshi]

This mount is actually available already.

[arkanon]

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NONONO, the mount is available right now WITHOUT the sub. Additionally, they have said the following:

"*Subscription & mount bundle offer valid through August 10, 2020. Steamscale Incinerator will remain available for purchase after offer expires."

[MrLachyG]

NONONO, the mount is available right now WITHOUT the sub. Additionally, they have said the following:

"*Subscription & mount bundle offer valid through August 10, 2020. Steamscale Incinerator will remain available for purchase after offer expires."

so technically even the OP's premise is wrong.... if the promo ends August then that puts Shadowlands at Feb 2021. which is still wrong because it is releasing this year but whatever

[DemonDays]

NONONO, the mount is available right now WITHOUT the sub. Additionally, they have said the following:

"*Subscription & mount bundle offer valid through August 10, 2020. Steamscale Incinerator will remain available for purchase after offer expires."

So you're absolutely better off staying on a 1 month recurring and purchasing the mount separately than locking yourself in for a content drought. There you go.

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so technically even the OP's premise is wrong.... if the promo ends August then that puts Shadowlands at Feb 2021. which is still wrong because it is releasing this year but whatever

Nothing is wrong about the premise.

8.3 released in January. Most were done with it by March/April. Possibly earlier.

There is at least 4-5 months until Shadowlands release if it even launches this year. You're locking yourself in to ZERO new content for another 5 months, possibly.

[FelPlague]

Lol. Many of the usual fanboys have LITERALLY claimed that if they don't release it by the end of December then they are "literally breaking the law".

Even when you show them Warcraft 3:Reforged as a perfect example, from the same company. They just stick their head in the sand.

what fucking fanbois are claiming they are breaking the law if they release it after the end of december, show me these "usual fanboys"