I've been a long time member here but i post very rarely and thought this would be a subject id wish to post on. First of all
https://raider.io/characters/eu/blades-edge/Steks that is a link to my current main character. I pug once a week 4/12 mythic and 2 other night i do some m+. Ive seen a lot of comments here how heroic is too underwhelming loot compared to m+.
I was just going to say this. In my old guild there is a guy, for the sake of argument lets call him Matt. Matt never does any m+, Matt is 480 ilvl equipped from just being carried through 4/12 M 12/12 heroic each week. Matt's cloak is still at 50 resistance because he doesn't like visions. Matt complains no one will take him to m+ therefore it's a bad system.
I've also seen comments here how m+ should only be cosmetic. Yes M+ is repeatable but to have a grp that will and can do 15s constantly throughout the week is quite rare for the average player. I DO NOT claim im some kind of god tank or anything like that. Im just saying that its far far easier to just do heroic once a week with guild mates. I mean i've geared my warrior fully in a couple of weeks by being a slacky pos and just tagging along as fury to an alt run. In m+ due to there being only 5 people mistakes are a lot and i mean a lot more apparent. Hence why people who are bad players get seen. Just yesterday in 21 SoTS there was this 12/12 mythic warlock that did absolutely terrible dps. After the run ive looked at his logs he's around 60percentile, whereas 7 dps from his guild's run are around 95 and they carry HARD. In their raid it doesnt get noticed so much.
As for the loot itself. WITHOUT titanforging or any other stupid system in place, doing m+ should be fairly straightforward rewards wise, or in theory they could upgrade weekly chest and run rewards from 15 to 20, because lets face it doing any run on time at +20 is sooooo much harder than heroic raiding, heck a lot harder than 50% of the mythic raid encounters ( first ones are easier usually ). Now there's no problem if gear is just gear. Nowadays gear gets throw at you all the time. Its so hard to get upgrades.
EG ive been waiting on a 475 shield with versatility for AGES and on my server there are no 475 boe trash versa haste shields to buy. People just gotta accept that if someone is a great player it doesnt matter if he/she got their gear from pvp , m+, or raiding. If you play at the top 1% you deserve the top 1% gear and to reap the rewards.